re: Pope Leo says God rejects prayers of leaders who wage wars

Posted by T1gerNate

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 3:59 pm to dallastigers

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Let’s look at several verses before you started your quote to see what’s really being discussed.

Sounds like it’s discussing a corrupted, unjust empire engaging in a war of choice and aggression, leading to the needless destruction and loss of civilian life, and the Lord rebuking this corrupted, unjust empire, imploring it to turn away from sin and turn towards the cause of the oppressed, and only then will the corrupted, unjust empire again receive the favor of the Lord. What am I missing?

Posted by TigerGman

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:13 pm to Suntiger

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Regardless of if you support the president or not, he seems to be a warmonger.

Suppose you'd prefer Iran getting nukes and taking out Tel Aviv or New York or D.C.

Posted by dallastigers

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:31 pm to T1gerNate

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What am I missing?

Yeah Your entire original point trying to selectively quote from the bible to say it’s not the Pope but God saying this was about rejecting prayers of leaders who start wars. Thats Leo’s incorrect interpretation of the Old Testament book of Isaiah which becomes obvious once you see it in context. I don’t know if the news put Jesus in parenthesis not understanding he shifted to Old Testament or if Leo actually implied that quote came from Jesus. I assume it’s the news but who knows with Leo.

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Are we supposed to be offended on behalf of Pete Hegseth and Bibi Netanyahu and everybody else responsible for this disgrace in Iran because of these comments? Pope Leo didn’t say it, God did.

quote:
When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.
Your hands are full of blood!

Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.

Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

Besides not including more before your quote you excluded the verse right what you quoted.

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17 Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed.[a] Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

a. Isaiah 1:17 Or justice. / Correct the oppressor

Other versions of the verse you stopped right before

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learn to do well. Seek judgment, relieve the oppressed; judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
ASV
learn to do well; seek justice, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
AMP
Learn to do good. Seek justice, Rebuke the ruthless, Defend the fatherless, Plead for the [rights of the] widow [in court].
AMPC
Learn to do right! Seek justice, relieve the oppressed, and correct the oppressor. Defend the fatherless, plead for the widow.
BRG
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
CSB
Learn to do what is good. Pursue justice. Correct the oppressor. Defend the rights of the fatherless. Plead the widow’s cause.
CSBA
Learn to do what is good. Pursue justice. Correct the oppressor. Defend the rights of the fatherless. Plead the widow’s cause.
CEB
learn to do good. Seek justice: help the oppressed; defend the orphan; plead for the widow.
CJB
learn to do good! Seek justice, relieve the oppressed, defend orphans, plead for the widow.
CEV
and learn to live right. See that justice is done. Defend widows and orphans and help the oppressed.”
DARBY
learn to do well: seek judgment, gladden the oppressed, do justice to the fatherless, plead for the widow.
DRA
Learn to do well: seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge for the fatherless, defend the widow.
ERV
Learn to do good. Treat people fairly. Punish those who hurt others. Speak up for the widows and orphans. Argue their cases for them in court.
EASY
Instead, learn to do what is right. Be honest and fair in what you do. Help people who are in pain. Make sure that widows and children who have no family receive justice.’
EHV
Learn to do good. Seek justice. Relieve the oppressed. Seek justice for the fatherless. Plead for the widow.
ESV
learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.
EXB
Learn to do ·good [right]. Seek justice. ·Punish those who hurt others [Rebuke the oppressor; or Encourage the oppressed]. ·Help [Defend; Bring justice to] the ·orphans [fatherless]. ·Stand up for the rights of [L Contend/Strive for] widows.”
HCSB
Learn to do what is good. Seek justice. Correct the oppressor. Defend the rights of the fatherless. Plead the widow’s cause.
ICB
Learn to do good. Be fair to other people. Punish those who hurt others. Help the orphans. Stand up for the rights of widows.”
ISV
Learn to practice what is good; seek justice, alleviate oppression, defend orphans in court, and plead the widow’s case.
JUB
learn to do good; seek judgment; restore unto the oppressed; hear the fatherless in right judgment; protect the widow.

This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 5:13 pm

Posted by The Baker

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:35 pm to Pepe Lepew

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So, God never heard King David?

900 years before the birth of jesus

Posted by High C

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:44 pm to T1gerNate

The scripture quoted is from Isaiah 1, and is much more a rebuke of hypocrisy than war.

This is just another example of a religious leader, from a two-bit Baptist preacher with a congregation of ten to the leader of the Catholic Church, twisting scripture to forward a personal (in this case political) agenda.

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Posted by T1gerNate

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:46 pm to High C

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a rebuke of hypocrisy

Interesting

Posted by Ingeniero

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:52 pm to High C

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This is just another example of a religious leader, from a two-bit Baptist preacher with a congregation of ten to the leader of the Catholic Church, twisting scripture to forward a personal (in this case political) agenda.

His full homily was a broader condemnation of violence and war. Because, you know, the gospel today was the Passion. The whole thing centered on peace.

Posted by OweO

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 4:53 pm to BowDownToLSU

There is a lot to unpack here, but it is my belief that no one should say god rejects anyone's prayer. What if a leader wages war because its a situation that seems to be the lesser of two evils or whatever the case might be. But then days, weeks, months, years later he looks back at it all and realizes it wasn't the right thing to do. That in the middle of it a lot of innocent people were killed, there were other options that should have been tried first before going to war..

What I am saying is, what if someone did something really bad, that at the time seemed like the reasonable thing to do, given the situation and then later in life truly understands the impact their decision had and they wish it was something they never done. Is God still judging that person the same? That's the problem for me when it comes to religions. Its too black and white and life isn't. Or maybe a lot of people live in a "black and white" world where if you do something it defines you for the rest of your life.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people deserve unlimited amount of changes until they really do something that negatively impacts more people's lives than theirs (I am talking about judges who let criminals back on the street over and over and over pretty much until they hurt or kill someone), but with religion it seems irresponsible to make blanket statements. And I know what the Pope represents, but in reality he is just a human like everyone else.

Just because the Catholic church decided to make someone Pope doesn't mean they automatically get a direct line to god. If it did, I would think he would be able to have a bigger impact on the world. So what the Pope says is based on his interpretation of the gospel, which then leads to the question of "if two different people have two different interpretations.. who is right?". I am just saying, no matter what your views are, things like this has to be taken with a grain of salt

Posted by ELVIS U

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:11 pm to BowDownToLSU

God rejects Popes that involve themselves in politics. He told me so. See how that works.

Posted by High C

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:12 pm to Ingeniero

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His full homily was a broader condemnation of violence and war. Because, you know, the gospel today was the Passion. The whole thing centered on peace.

Not surprising, then, that the media has chosen to take a very small part of something and turn it into a politically divisive issue.

Posted by Neilfish

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:12 pm to BowDownToLSU

Pope Leo needs to stay the F out of politics and and begin concentrating on his petofile priest

Posted by Monahans

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:22 pm to Neilfish

War for profit will end a leader up in hell.

Posted by dallastigers

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:24 pm to High C

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Not surprising, then, that the media has chosen to take a very small part of something and turn it into a politically divisive issue.

I am guessing or hoping that Reuters put the Jesus in between the parentheses. Not sure if the misleading was on purpose or just not knowing the quote afterwards was from the Old Testament.

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"This is our God: Jesus, King of Peace, who rejects war, ?whom no one can use to justify war," Leo, the first U.S. pope, told crowds in ?brilliant sunshine. "

(Jesus) does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war, but rejects them, saying: 'Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen: your hands are full of blood'," he said, citing a Bible ?passage.

Posted by T1gerNate

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:27 pm to Monahans

1,500 dead civilians in a month. For what? I’m glad he’s speaking up about it. More people should.

Posted by lsuson

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 5:36 pm to BowDownToLSU

Sorry Pope you don’t decide what God thinks.

Posted by cypresstiger

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 6:40 pm to BowDownToLSU

I guess God didn’t hear Joshua or David

Posted by Bard

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Posted on 3/29/26 at 6:47 pm to BowDownToLSU

Remind me again, what was the Vatican's official stance on Nazi Germany during WW2?

Oh yeah, Pope Pius XII declared them neutral.

Funny how the Vatican can declare itself neutral when its arse is in the crosshairs but then condemns war against those who foment terror across the world when the conflict is thousands of miles from them.

Coward, thy name is "Vatican".