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re: Police locate kidnapped girl, then shoot and kill innocent kidnapped girl (YouTube)
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:48 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:48 am to Pettifogger
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Candily, I'm not sure how we reconcile them. There probably aren't enough realistic candidates for the amount of LEOs we need who can do the job as we all envision. So you're in a position where you either have to greatly increase the incentive to get into the field for those with higher intelligence/judgment, or you have to strike some sort of balance where you hold the idiots responsible without going so far as to alienate cops and reducing the number of aspiring LEOs.
I think we're in a situation now where the people who want to work those jobs for modest pay and potentially life altering risk is naturally a combination of good-judgment alphas and bad-judgment imbeciles. In other words, not ideal.
Up the pay and up the responsibility.
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:49 am to Epic Cajun
quote:To what level of responsibility? Exactly what and how much of it should they be responsible for?
Up the pay and up the responsibility.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 10:50 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:49 am to GetCocky11
You expect police to identify what they're shooting at? Sounds like a bunch of lib bullshite to me. She was even wearing TACTICAL GEAR! Good shoot officers, protected and served that little criminal
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:52 am to MoLiberty
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quote:The incompetence It's real easy to armchair quarterback the actions of men under duress during a gun fight. Unless you've been there, you have no fricking clue how quick things can go to the shitter. Keep your criticism and "expert opinion" to yourself next time jabroni. Pray for those involved, this is a traumatizing event for everyone, especially the man who pulled the trigger.
Im a contractor, my skill are building and fixing things. If you are a police officer, your skills should be handling intense situations that involve gunfire
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:55 am to Gravitiger
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To what level of responsibility? Exactly what and how much of it should they be responsible for?
Well, I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert in LE, but the requirements to become a police officer should be higher, they should receive more training, and there should be stiff penalties for "mistakes" that they make. They need to be held to a higher standard than they are currently.
ETA: it's absurd to have some loser with a high school diploma running around with a gun and choosing who lives and who dies
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:01 am to Epic Cajun
quote:100% agreed. But you said "raise the level of responsibility".
Well, I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert in LE, but the requirements to become a police officer should be higher, they should receive more training, and there should be stiff penalties for "mistakes" that they make. They need to be held to a higher standard than they are currently.
ETA: it's absurd to have some loser with a high school diploma running around with a gun and choosing who lives and who dies
What does that even mean? What should front line police officers actually be "responsible" for? What would it even look like to "raise the level of responsibility" for them? Make them "more responsible" for various crimes in their districts? How would that be defined, quantified, operationalized, etc?
Raising (or re-applying old) admissions standards is not the same as defining what local officers are actually responsible for.
It's a sweet thought and a nice thing to say, philosophically. I just don't understand how it would be put into practice.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:02 am to GetCocky11
The cops tried to say the girl was shooting at police too. Although there was only one weapon recovered. Maybe they gave up on that excuse.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:04 am to Epic Cajun
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but the requirements to become a police officer should be higher
We have massive service gaps now, I imagine most cops in 20 years will be Hispanic.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:05 am to GetCocky11
Complete Cluster IMO.
Rounds everywhere as vehicle was moving as evidenced by the dirt kicking up all around his vehicle. Surprised no cops were hit.
Bad comms as one cop telling her to come to him while not informing other cops it was her.
Cops just opening fire at her without confirming target and threat.
Rounds everywhere as vehicle was moving as evidenced by the dirt kicking up all around his vehicle. Surprised no cops were hit.
Bad comms as one cop telling her to come to him while not informing other cops it was her.
Cops just opening fire at her without confirming target and threat.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:18 am to Epic Cajun
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Up the pay and up the responsibility.
Cops in many parts of the country make an absurd amount of money for having so little education. One of the real problems reformers face is that when you explain to average citizens the reality of police budgets, most of them straight up don’t believe you
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If only we had more folks like you, who bailed on their family and society.
We have massive service gaps now, I imagine most cops in 20 years will be Hispanic.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:20 am to EmperorGout
quote:Can you provide an example?
One of the real problems reformers face is that when you explain to average citizens the reality of police budgets, most of them straight up don’t believe you
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:22 am to EmperorGout
quote:Sure, but not in places where cops are actually needed.
Cops in many parts of the country make an absurd amount of money for having so little education.
Ascension Parish probably pays way over value for more officers than they need. EBR probably pays less and can't find officers to save their lives.
Neither has "more responsibility" than the other.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:25 am to MoLiberty
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It's real easy to armchair quarterback the actions of men under duress during a gun fight. Unless you've been there, you have no fricking clue how quick things can go to the shitter. Keep your criticism and "expert opinion" to yourself next time jabroni.
Police training requirements by country
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:28 am to MoLiberty
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Pray for those involved, this is a traumatizing event for everyone, especially the man who pulled the trigger.
You know who it isn't traumatizing for? The 15 year old girl who got shot after being abducted by her father, who killed her mother. You know why it isn't traumatizing her? Because she's dead after being shot by the police who were supposedly there to rescue her.
Spare me about how "especially" traumatizing it is for anyone else.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:29 am to EmperorGout
This thread is full of keyboard warriors.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:31 am to Turnblad85
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Also ask them to up your taxes by a far margin because they aren't cheap like joe's off the street.
Enlisted personnel (E4-E6 or even higher) aren't making oodles of cash.
What metric are you judging this comment by?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:54 am to GetCocky11
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Police locate kidnapped girl, then shoot and kill innocent kidnapped girl
DEI is working as planned
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:55 am to Giantkiller
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The hatred of police in this country has resulted in having to hire fricking retards.
Or did the hiring of fricking retards cause a hatred of police? It's probably a bit of both.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:03 pm to GetCocky11
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The incompetence.
Holy shite at all that crossfire. Good Lord.
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