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re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today
Posted on 11/3/26 at 11:55 am to JudgeHolden
Posted on 11/3/26 at 11:55 am to JudgeHolden
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Looks like they found another piece of the elevator three miles away. Can't link to Facebook, but it is on Live Storm Chasers 8 hours ago.
will be curious to see if they can definitively determine where/when it came off...considering the speed of the winds in that storm and the sheer elevation from which it could've fallen/fluttered.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 11:56 am to The Pirate King
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Get-there-itis, the pressure to not disappoint the customer, or cause additional costs to the operator.
Would have been my guess the second any details came out.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 11:59 am to JudgeHolden
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Looks like they found another piece of the elevator three miles away. Can't link to Facebook, but it is on Live Storm Chasers 8 hours ago.
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Aircraft Debris Reportedly Being Found Far From Crash Site
The NTSB says there are indications the Learjet 60 was breaking up before impact in Greenacres, Florida, and that debris may be found away from the crash site.
Photos in a post by Milo Willi show what appears to be a section of the aircraft’s tail, reportedly found in a yard about 3 miles from the impact site.
A comparison with the elevator tip on a Learjet’s horizontal tail shows several matching features, including a static wick, a raised nub, three fasteners and another opening in the same location.
The piece as far as we know has not been officially identified.
-If you find aircraft debris, DO NOT TOUCH OR MOVE IT. Report it to local authorities or the NTSB.
This post was edited on 11/3/26 at 11:59 am
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:00 pm to jlovel7
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Yup I listened to the audio from the first incident. They got chastised by ATC for incorrectly identifying turbulence and/or changing altitude without permission. Or something to that effect
This could have had a negative effect as they slowed their process down instead of maneuvering out of immediate danger.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:03 pm to The Pirate King
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“I flew the Lear 60 for like 15 years. It's a no joke airplane and probably the most dangerous airplane I've ever flown. It has a super critical wing. The airflow has to be perfect. When it gets into rough air and turbulence, it will easily stall. It has stalled on me at 41,000 feet just because we got into some turbulence. (On the way to Palm Beach as a matter of fact.) we recovered and got her flying again around 30,000 ft. Scary but here's the problem. This airplane has a terrible coffin corner. (At high altitudes) what that means is, you fly in a really narrow window where if you lose 20 knots, it stalls. And if you gain 20 knots, it goes into overspeed. The air goes supersonic over the wing and it goes into a high speed stall, or worse, a Mach tuck. So if you stall, the normal recovery is to push the yoke forward to lower the nose and gain air speed again. At low altitude, you can push really hard and recover quickly. But in the 60... if you push hard, it will gain air speed and go into a high speed stall, it doesn't take much. It's very sensitive. The 60 has super short wings that don't make much lift. So then you high speed stall, and the computer is yelling at you... OVERSPEED! So then you pull back and enter a low speed stall. And you go back and forth trying to keep it in the air speed window. This whole thing is pretty scary. And you should recover basically by using your finger tips using super small corrections. You can't over do it. If you try to muscle the recovery, she gets mad and will become unrecoverable. If she enters a mach tuck. You're done.”
These pilots went right over a thunderstorm. I think it stalled which caused them to drop down into the thunderstorm and ended up in mach tuck. They picked up so much speed that it ripped off the horizontal stabilizer. At that point...Chuck Yeager can't fix it. These same pilots did something similar a couple months ago. ATC got mad at them. They poked the bear one too many times. This is not a beginner airplane. The Gulfstream would never do this. It has HUGE margins of error and won't stall like that. But then again... it's got HUGE wings. It's a pussy cat. The Gulfstream is like driving a 4 wheeler. The Lear 60 is like riding a uni cycle.”
Best explanation of what happened that I’ve seen so far.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:08 pm to KosmoCramer
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The article said it's not clear if this was the same crew, but it was the same airplane.
It’s 100% the same first officer based on her voice.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:15 pm to jlovel7
Got a link to it?
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:24 pm to Stevo
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I have a hard time believing that the NTSB won't ultimately criticize the actions of both pilots. But a blanket statement that women should not pilot planes is just plain stupid.
Can we agree that reaction time and the ability to remain calm lean to one side heavily?
I have no problem with them being pilots I just don’t want to be on board lol.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:46 pm to jizzle6609
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Women shouldn’t be flying.
Holy shite... two days later and you're still speaking in absolutes like a complete fricking idiot.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:47 pm to jizzle6609
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I have no problem with them being pilots
If you crawfished any harder you’d have a tail.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 12:49 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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will be curious to see if they can definitively determine where/when it came off...considering the speed of the winds in that storm and the sheer elevation from which it could've fallen/fluttered.
Good question. The only thing I think you can say is that it didn’t come from ground impact.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:00 pm to Sam Quint
This is great, thank you for posting the link.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:09 pm to jizzle6609
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I have no problem with them being pilots I just don’t want to be on board
I'd have no problem with a competent and professional female pilot with an appropriate level of experience. But a 20-year-old TikTok influencer that sounds like Paris Hilton in interviews? No thank you.
Of course, the OT girl dads will bend themselves into a pretzel trying to convince everyone that this chick was basically Charles Lindbergh with press-on nails.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:11 pm to Stevo
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This is great, thank you for posting the link.
no problem, glad to share. watch some of his other stuff if you have a minute. his videos are all really good and he just seems like a good dude.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:11 pm to The Pirate King
That's scary as all get out just to read about it. I can't imagine experience.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:13 pm to The Pirate King
quote:One of my best friends flies gulfstreams and this made me feel a little bit better. Thanks
I have a close friend who flies private jets. He flew Lear 60 for over 15 years and now flies a Gulfstream. This is a copy and paste of his response to me....
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:19 pm to cattus
Am I crazy to feel like 600-700 ft altitude change for turbulence seems EXTREME and not something 99% of Charters would want to experience?
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:32 pm to cubsfan5150
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Women shouldn’t be flying.
Disagree....few years ago we were flying into Eagle Ridge airport near Beaver Creek Colorado, and it was windy and turbulent as frick as we started our descent. Female pilot gets on intercom and says tower told her that the window of opportunity to land was closing and we had to get on ground asap. She told us it was going take some aggressive maneuvering so buckle up and get ready. The steep angles and precision she displayed in fricking awful conditions was on point. She was standing in front of the cockpit when we were deplaning, and I fist bumped her and told her she was a complete bad arse.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:33 pm to tigerinthebueche
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you crawfished any harder you’d have a tail.
I said I apologize.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 1:35 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Sure...but you are already putting blame on her b/c she is female and a DEI hire. Folks in this thread have already explained that private charter's is where young and inexperienced pilots start regardless of sex. I could be wrong but I doubt there is a strong DEI culture in small private charter companies.
What if the government gives you a tax benefit for hiring women if minorities?
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