re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today

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Am I crazy to feel like 600-700 ft altitude change for turbulence seems EXTREME and not something 99% of Charters would want to experience?

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Not crazy, IMHO.

Think it through. When your Lear 60 is in turbulence that pushes and pulls it 800 feet up or down, you are not in control of your jet for those moments. It is out of control. 800 feet is just over 266 yards. That is a huge distance to be bounced up and down and not in control of your jet.

If you manage to somehow retrieve the situation and get back in control of your jet, you should consider yourself fortunate, because that sometimes does not happen. Being bounced around for 266 yards up and down is really upsetting and you might not get back into control.

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we were flying into Eagle Ridge airport near Beaver Creek Colorado, and it was windy and turbulent as frick as we started our descent. Female pilot gets on intercom and says tower told her that the window of opportunity to land was closing and we had to get on ground asap.

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Is the co-pilot not the one on the coms?

Media briefing day 2 happening now. They’ve found the left elevator in 3 pieces a mile or so from the crash site.

ETA: they’re going into the crater tomorrow most likely.

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I was wondering why a fast moving plane couldn't just level off

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A wing keeps a jet in the air because the wing creates a low pressure area above the wing that yields to a higher pressure area under the wing.

But the particular conditions that maintains this condition of higher pressure lifting up the wing are destroyed when some wings are passing through the atmosphere at too high a speed that approaches Mach 1. When that happens, the point in space lifting up on the wing moves out of place. When it moves far out of place to a point where the higher pressure uplift is no longer even on the wing - it has moved behind the wing and is pushing up into nothing.

The wing no longer has lift. The speed of Mach Tuck condition removed the uplift capability of the wing, and there's no way to slow back down to regain the proper uplift position.

The Lear 60 is a jet that is well-known to be subject to overspeed and Mach Tuck problems. It's a tricky jet and I would not fly one.

one thing is for sure, 99.9% of us (myself included) never heard the term mach tuck before yesterday, and today we're all experts

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i think men generally speaking have a more natural inclination for things like flying planes, but there are plenty men that i wouldnt trust with a powerwheel. similarly, i know many female pilots who have done well. i also know many females who probably shouldnt even be allowed to drive motorvehicles.

this is one of the biggest problems with DEI is that it casts doubt on the abilities of people who genuinely ARE good at their jobs and earned it.

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As much as many people refuse to admit it there are ingrained characteristics of men and women that naturally make them suited for different things.

From AI, but here are a few that would apply for pilots:

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Navigational Strategies

• Men's Tendency: More often rely on abstract, global, or Euclidean metrics like cardinal directions (north, south, east, west) and overall 3D geometric layout.
• Women's Tendency: More often rely on local landmarks (such as buildings, signs, or distinct features) and sequential, memorized routes

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Mental Rotation: On average, men tend to score higher on tests requiring the mental rotation of 3D objects or shapes. This gap is one of the more consistent statistical differences in cognitive testing.

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Brain Activity and Processing Styles

• Action vs. Introspection: Under acute pressure, imaging studies show that the male amygdala (the brain's emotional hub) often connects more strongly to motor and action-oriented regions of the brain, pushing toward physical or problem-focused fixes.

• Internalization and Ruminating: The female brain under stress frequently activates regions tied to emotional regulation, social cognition, and self-reflection. This can lead to deeper cognitive processing, planning, or rumination, which helps women evaluate complex interpersonal stakes but also increases vulnerability to anxiety and depression. 

• Locus Coeruleus: The brain's alertness center (locus coeruleus) contains more stress-neurotransmitter receptors and clears chemicals slower in females, making women experience certain stress inputs with greater intensity. 

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Grey Matter Dominance: Male processing tends to pull significantly from grey matter, the localized blocks of tissue where actual computation and action-oriented decisions occur. This favors a deep, hyper-focused "tunnel vision" approach. In a complex scenario, a grey-matter-dominant approach is more likely to break down the situation by triaging inputs sequentially rather than absorbing them all at once.

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Yeah, I googled it. Totally new concept for me.

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She was standing in front of the cockpit when we were deplaning, and I fist bumped her and told her she was a complete bad arse.

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Was this before or after the Pat Benatar song broke out and the whole plane erupted in applause?

Careful, scientific facts are apparently sexist to most of the OT users on here