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re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:51 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:51 am to fightin tigers
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I think if they were planning to fly, not planning to crash.
wtf are you even talking about?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:51 am to LegendInMyMind
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The Jack in the audio was her fiancé, who was also a 21-year-old pilot
Her boyfriend is named Justin and is a pilot, but wasn't on the plane......per the article you linked.
I know a bunch of people are jumping on the 20 year old co-pilot thing. How do you expect a pilot to become old and experienced if they can't be a co-pilot while young? I have zero issue with her being in the co-pilot seat.
That was up until I began hearing that the Pilot was also young. Now that is insanity. Whether he was her fiance' or not is secondary (although that would also be a no-go for me).
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:52 am to Pax Regis
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What “company?” This was a privately owned jet.
It was operated by Upper Jets.
Upper Jet states: "LET US FLY YOU HIGHER WITH CUSTOMIZED PRIVATE AVIATION SERVICES TO FIT YOUR NEEDS."
Not all private jet owners manage their planes. It is expensive and time consuming. They have their jets managed by service companies. Solairus Aviation is a big one. They are not involved with this incident.
"Solairus is a US-based private aviation services company whose core business is assisting aircraft owners with the safe, reliable, and efficient management and operation of their aircraft."
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:52 am to fightin tigers
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It has been declared pilot error?
It will be, because they flew directly into a thunderstorm and crashed because of it.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:55 am to jbgleason
Has the other pilot been identified yet?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:55 am to jbgleason
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That was up until I began hearing that the Pilot was also young. Now that is insanity
How old until they aren't considered young any longer?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:56 am to The Boat
Funded by A&A capital- guy named Adem Adem
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:56 am to jbgleason
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Whether he was her fiance' or not is secondary (
I keep seeing this, but also read that she texted her BF about the bad turbulence, 10 minutes before the crash.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:56 am to fightin tigers
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How old until they aren't considered young any longer?
Flight hours more important than age, though 20 year olds likely won't have significant flight hours.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:58 am to Saintsisit
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I keep seeing this, but also read that she texted her BF about the bad turbulence, 10 minutes before the crash.
That's because stout posted an article that he didn't read.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:02 am to Stat M Repairman
Hits close to home as I used to fly Lears in my earlier aviation days. I was on the 40/45 series and sports car of a plane but can also be very unforgiving when things go sideways. I was flying to South Florida last night before I found out about this and I stayed clear of the heart of it both in and out of Miami. Tough to say what their on board radar could’ve been painting for them but to cause a perfectly good jet with pilots who clearly weren’t disoriented in the attitude of their jet from her radio comms it’s hard to not think some sort of tail stall whether that be icing, severe turbulence, coffin corner, some combination of all the above.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:03 am to Spocks Brain
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:05 am to Stevo
My son is in an aviation program at a SC college. He has his check ride for his instrument rating coming up.
The problem I see with these programs is they push you through your hours and ratings pretty quickly so you don’t get a lot of time to practice/fly to hone your skills outside of the curriculum.
Once he gets through I’m strongly encouraging him to look at some military option to get training, hone his skills and bank time. The issue is there isn’t a good way to enlist and then have a guarantee at a pilot slot. Then you’re committed and not flying.
The thought of him going to one of these private companies scares the shite out of me.
The problem I see with these programs is they push you through your hours and ratings pretty quickly so you don’t get a lot of time to practice/fly to hone your skills outside of the curriculum.
Once he gets through I’m strongly encouraging him to look at some military option to get training, hone his skills and bank time. The issue is there isn’t a good way to enlist and then have a guarantee at a pilot slot. Then you’re committed and not flying.
The thought of him going to one of these private companies scares the shite out of me.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:05 am to fightin tigers
Literally how it is when your gf is in the passenger seat looking at Google Maps and doesn't understand that the way her phone is facing is not your direction of travel.
It's amazing to watch because they keep turning the phone and get even more confused.
You ever in this situation just pull over and connect to your own phone because it just gets worse.
Unfortunately pulling over at 37,000 feet wasn't an option here.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:08 am to fightin tigers
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It has been declared pilot error?
It will be. I'll bet you could count on one hand the number of times the NTSB DIDN'T mention "pilot error" in their report.
But in this specific instance, it sounds like that definitely played a role.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:09 am to Stat M Repairman
Also, given the technology and avionics today how can you fly right into the heart of that weather?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:09 am to Tiger Stadium 11
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I used to fly Lears
Learing center
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:09 am to slidingstop
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It will be. I'll bet you could count on one hand the number of times the NTSB DIDN'T mention "pilot error" in their report.
They're probably correct in doing so 99% of the time.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:12 am to SoFla Tideroller
Damn that girl in the audio was only 20.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:13 am to SquatchDawg
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Also, given the technology and avionics today how can you fly right into the heart of that weather?
- it was a 22-year old plane that they don't even make anymore
- supposedly small weather radar display.
- radar on those planes is supposedly spotty with storms, and may have been showing clear even though it was a big cell
- it was a pop-up cell moving east-west from offshore.
All of the above is what I've gleaned from X and some YouTube pilots.
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