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re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:23 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:23 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Fluids professor called it something that I cant recall. Mach dive maybe?
Compressibility
Test pilots found out on many newer airframes (P-38/P-47) of the time that steep dives caused the flaps/controls to lock up due to shock waves forming on the wings/stabilizers as speed built in a dive. Eventually led to strakes and other mods to help keep the shock waves from forming.
As for someones question about airspeed across the ground I would imagine that is incapable of being measured if plane is in a vertical dive since there is no horizontal movement of the plane to measure
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:25 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:23 am to AllDayEveryDay
Absolutely. Death came quickly once they hit the ground but it took what probably seemed like forever for this plane to basically free fall 30k feet to the ground.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:23 am to WDE24
1 time, 2 women/ united airlines flight for work.
Called my boss and said I was sick and not coming.
Called my boss and said I was sick and not coming.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:24 am to stout
Damn seeing their pics made me realize there's no cockpit door on the jet they were on. I assumed there was, must have been even more terrorizing for the passengers.
I guess I'm not a true OT baller, just finding out most private jets don't have them.
I guess I'm not a true OT baller, just finding out most private jets don't have them.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:25 am to WDE24
quote:I without a doubt would get off any plane if I saw this. Even if it was the most inconvenient thing in the world
understand wanting to be reassured by seeing someone who appears experienced, but I just wonder what it would take for me to change all of my travel plans based on what I saw during that quick look into the cockpit. I really don’t know.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:26 am to Saintsisit
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No, seems icing to stall to stabilizer ripped off from over speed.
I wonder if the pilots inexperience caused them to pull up when the stall occurred. Full deflection of the elevator at a high air speed can cause serious damage. Will not really know until flight data is released.
They also reported moderate to heavy turbulence. Over controlling the aircraft in unstable air would cause issues as well.
This is going to be an incredible accident report from the NTSB. Given all the factors, I would expect it’s going to take quite some time for the full report to come.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:26 am to Saintsisit
Here's a news piece highlighting that girl as the female champion.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:26 am to Spocks Brain
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1 time, 2 women/ united airlines flight for work. Called my boss and said I was sick and not coming.
Were you relieved when you saw on the news that flight crashed without you?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:27 am to RedFoxx
How close is that to Trump's place?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:28 am to lsupride87
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They clearly did not do this, as the pilot changed the frick out of his course to head north right into the storms
I don’t remember where I saw this but someone said they denied a course change to the south due to air traffic so they went north.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:32 am to RedFoxx
Dude why? It was a decision - I made it and do not regret it one bit. Of course the flight arrived safely. What’s your point? This is my life, not yours. I’ve done it once in my life and will absolutely do it again if it doesn’t feel right
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:34 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:32 am to WDE24
quote:Complacency kills more pilots than anything.
I understand wanting to be reassured by seeing someone who appears experienced,
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:35 am to Tigeralum2008
quote:No need. Our OT aviation experts have already figured it all out. Causal factor: female pilot that was banging the boss.
This is going to be an incredible accident report from the NTSB.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:35 am to WDE24
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Have you ever gotten off an airplane after your visual peek at the pilots? What would you realistically have to see to make that decision?
I had these same exact type pilots just a bit older each recently on a trip from NO to New York. It's something you notice, but on an airliner you'd think they're capable. Never crossed my mind to not take the flight.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:35 am to lsupride87
Were those the two pilots in this crash? That would be disconcerting. I don’t know if I would deplane or not, but I would be uncomfortable if I boarded a small charter and both pilots were so young in appearance.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:37 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:36 am to WDE24
quote:I haven’t personally but an older family member saw two women pilots on her flight as she was getting on the plane and decided to get off. She said she felt terrible but she just didn’t feel safe. She ended up having to stay in Atlanta an extra night and get another flight the next day.
Have you ever gotten off an airplane after your visual peek at the pilots? What would you realistically have to see to make that decision?
The gender of pilots don’t really bother me but the age certainly will male or female. If I ever get on a plane and the people in the cockpit look like they’re in their 20’s, I may nope out of that one.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:44 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:38 am to baldona
From a met site.
LINK
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At 12:36 p.m., that thunderstorm was just under 33,000 feet tall. By 12:56 p.m., it was 48,300 feet tall. That's an increase of more than 15,000 feet in 20 minutes, signifying VERY intense updrafts – [...] The rapid vertical development of the thunderstorm was likely accompanied by extreme turbulence – Temperatures at the aircraft's altitude were probably around minus-45 degrees Fahrenheit OUTSIDE the storm. Ordinarily, that would be too cold to support robust icing. (Clear glaze is most prevalent between 14 and 32 degrees, with mixing of clear/rime ice at colder temperatures. Rime ice is a danger below 0 Fahrenheit, but once you get to colder temperatures, there aren't many supercooled water droplets left. HOWEVER, a rapidly-growing thunderstorm cloud can lift warmer temperatures, and more liquid water content, vertically upward. That can lead to extremely rapid icing in environments at altitudes where it otherwise would be a lesser concern. – Within the cloud, it's probable that severe turbulence was present
LINK
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:41 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:39 am to lsupride87
My wife is getting on a plane this morning. I’m getting on one Friday. Did not need to see this story.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:40 am to Saintsisit
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Damn seeing their pics made me realize there's no cockpit door on the jet they were on. I assumed there was, must have been even more terrorizing for the passengers.
I don't think those pictures are from a Lear60
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:43 am to MikeBRLA
Lear60s don't have a cockpit door but could have a privacy curtain.
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