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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:51 am to JPLSU1981
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:51 am to JPLSU1981
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For those that may know, what would be the exact cause of death for those that died instantly?…. Fire?
I think the shock from the amount of energy released upon impact as you see when the two crafts collide knocks everyone unconscious like a blow to the head only it’s a pressure wave.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:53 am to The Boat
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Blunt force impact into the water at 150+ mph from 300 ft
This and some from impact from initial collision.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:55 am to carhartt
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I’m late to the thread and this might have been discussed already. But I really don’t understand who approved a helo flight path that dissects a landing/departure lane of an international airport.
from what I saw the helo flight path is an extremely common/routine route that they travel all the time. Not sure about altitude.
IDK if it's still true but apparently ATC diverted the airplane from 1 runway to another...IDK how long before this happened but apparently on approach. The diversion wasn't out of the ordinary, but it makes me wonder if the helo pilot expected airplane to be approaching the other runway
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:56 am to 777Tiger
So they likely saw and knew it was coming. This is just awful.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:57 am to tiger91
Probably/thankfully only had a few seconds to realize it.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:58 am to tiger91
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So they likely saw and knew it was coming. T
it's possible, they may have seen a target on their screen but more than likely were looking outside for traffic at that phase of the approach
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:00 am to IT_Dawg
From the moment of impact with the helicopter, how long would the fall to the water last?… 10 seconds? 30 seconds?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:00 am to JPLSU1981
It'd be similar to how wood bees die when I smack them with a badminton racket. Some get sliced in half, some get smashed into an unrecognizable pulp, some survive the initial hit and get stomped on the ground, some survive the initial hit for a second but die shortly after on their own, some get sliced in half and then stomped.
Its not a pleasant thing to think about. Those responders are going to find all manner of carnage. It'd be very dependent on seat location, seat belt or not, impact location and velocity.
Its not a pleasant thing to think about. Those responders are going to find all manner of carnage. It'd be very dependent on seat location, seat belt or not, impact location and velocity.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:01 am to Topwater Trout
JIA requested to change to RWY 33 which was approved. the controller told the helo that the CRJ was circling to RWY 33. the helo appeared to accept visual separation when the aircraft were still like 5 miles apart. The controller can’t fly the plane for the helo pilot.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:03 am to m57
I thought ATC asked them to change to 33 due to outbound traffic still on 1.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:04 am to JPLSU1981
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From the moment of impact with the helicopter, how long would the fall to the water last?… 10 seconds? 30 seconds?
From only 300 feet AGL, you're talking probably close to 5 seconds
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:05 am to m57
Air traffic could have issued a heading for the helo to avoid traffic. I’m not saying I would’ve done that, but it is an option. Tough situation because you have separation until you don’t. I never really liked working helo oops. They aren’t good listeners.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:06 am to Chicken
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Audio of helo acknowledging ATC and calling separation.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:07 am to TigerDCC11
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This and some from impact from initial collision.
Likely the rotors penetrated the aircraft, then the explosion.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:09 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Still wonder why the helo had to turn into the flight path even with vertical separation. Just stay south and turn later.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:12 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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If tweet fails to load, click here. SIAP but this is best clip I've seen to get an idea of the geometry of the collision. You can see the airliner's turn quickly puts it on a converging heading. This isnt anything like driving or boating. Closer rates are very fast and 3D.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:16 am to JPLSU1981
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how long would the fall to the water last?… 10 seconds? 30 seconds?
Like 2 seconds.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:16 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
horrified...prayers to all souls involved.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:17 am to AUstar
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Hegseth just said that even though it was a training flight, the crew was experienced. It was a routine training flight, not the training of a new guy.
Weird situation all around.
As I've been saying that is nothing out of normal. Specifically Hegseth said "it was a very experienced crew doing an annual night evaluation." Sounds like just normal evaluator giving an annual check ride to a fully qualified pilot not requiring instruction just a graded sortie to continue flying another year.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:18 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
This is a good summary from a nerd. Chopper pilot done fricked up and the US Army going to be paying some claims.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDAnO8eMf8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDAnO8eMf8
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