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re: NOLA City Council Wants to take on Entergy

Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10305 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:26 pm to
Louisiana has the cheapest electricity rates in the country.

The original plans for the NOLA East plant were vetoed by the government. They had to make a drastically smaller, cheaper plant that in no way can meet the original promises.

The city council and leadership have just as much blame to bear as Entergy does.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 1:27 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84948 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:26 pm to
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Every single government entity or utility monopoly in LA, much less NOLA, needs to be thoroughly audited. Any government official taking bribes, stealing, or misappropriating should be prosecuted and thrown in jail.
The audits are non-stop. SOx, NERC, FERC, NRC, NIOS... I could go on. If you want to add to the regulatory overhead and increase your bill, fine though. Up to you.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:27 pm to
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It is a black start unit, right? That doesn't mean it won't have to deal with challenges from damage.


Turns out it's NOT a black start unit. They said it was going to be. It's not. That's a big part of the issue.

There was no damage to the facility.

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You won't be able to make them sell the transmission and generation they own. Period.


Not sure how this works. I know they operate under a charter... which I believe has to be renewed.

I'd imagine if this scenerio even came close to happening, a court would end up deciding how this would work.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71343 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:29 pm to
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The audits are non-stop. SOx, NERC, FERC, NRC, NIOS... I could go on. If you want to add to the regulatory overhead and increase your bill, fine though. Up to you.



I should have framed that as Sewerage and Water Board mostly. I know private companies get audited a ton.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:29 pm to
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Louisiana has the cheapest electricity rates in the country.



I thought that was Texas with their "competition".

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The original plans for the NOLA East plant were vetoed by the government. They had to make a drastically smaller, cheaper plant that in no way can meet the original promises.


I don't think anyone disputes the smaller plant can't produce as much.

However, the smaller plant was supposed to be black start, which it clearly is not.

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The city council and leadership have just as much blame to bear as Entergy does.


I won't dispute that. Especially past councils who were a rubber stamp.
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
16119 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:31 pm to
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It is a black start unit, right? That doesn't mean it won't have to deal with challenges from damage.



This is where entergy is really going to have to do some explaining.

As it turns out, the facility is not a black start unit as promised and it was undamaged. This comes after they were busted paying actors to show up to city council meetings to try and push this through.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57426 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:32 pm to
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or creating a municipally-owned power company.


the power outages after storms will be great

you mean power outages before the storms.....similar to the pumps not ever working.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84948 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:32 pm to
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Turns out it's NOT a black start unit. They said it was going to be. It's not. That's a big part of the issue.

There was no damage to the facility.
Gotcha. I wonder what caused them to change that. Poster above says government backtracking...
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Not sure how this works. I know they operate under a charter... which I believe has to be renewed.
The charter is merely a facade. Entergy can get paid through the MISO market for their transmission and generation and sell off the distribution if the LPSC tried to kick them out which they can't.
Posted by Jh22586
Member since Oct 2019
645 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:46 pm to
I don’t know about Entergy New Orleans, but here in Baton Rouge now I know this is not the case for everyone I had a shite show with them awhile back… got to the point where and I am not even exaggerating if it would be a light rain like barely over a drizzle, about 8 houses (one being mine) would loose power for 2-3hrs sometimes more.. this happened for about 5-6 months… kept calling Entergy and they kept telling me the same thing, “nothing is wrong some debris cause the power to go out” well I don’t know what it was that was causing it but I got fed up, I started calling Entergy every single day even there emergency line on Sunday’s everyday for easily 4 weeks to complain about it finally me and my wife decided it was time to buy a generator (which again that is something I should have already had but at the the I didn’t) I kid you not as we pull back in the neighborhood with a new generator, Entergy is there replacing a bunch of stuff and when I pulled in the driveway a Entergy worker even came to talk to me apparently my name was on the work order and told me they found several issues that’s being fixed and was told it shoulda been replaced/fixed awhile ago it wasn’t just some new issue that popped up… since then I haven’t lost power until the recent hurricane… it took over 2.5 years to actually be able to use my generator..

Moral of the story - F Entergy they lie, and you gotta go through so much bs to get them to even acknowledge you or that there is a problem on there end … and you can’t tell them to F off and use another company bc they have the monopoly here, and due to my giant tree’s and my neighbors big tree’s I can’t even go solar
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted by DevilDagNS
Member since Dec 2017
2665 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:48 pm to
The solution is simple. Have the S&WB take over electricity.
Posted by Wiseguy
Member since Mar 2020
3379 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:57 pm to
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I do have a lot of questions as to what they have done in past years with storm recovery money, and what they are doing with regard to hardening the system. Have they done everything they can?


I can answer that without a “study” (aka lots of catered meetings). No. They haven’t done everything they could have. There are tree limbs that don’t get cut until right before a storm is coming through or even better- after it passes amd the power has been disrupted. I have yet to see any movement of lines from poles to underground.

It’s almost like they save money by not doing these things then when a storm happens and they have to replace poles, lines, etc they do it and then get storm surcharges added on the backend to cover it all. A little preventive maintenance would go a long way.
Posted by dandyjohn
Member since Apr 2009
804 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:02 pm to
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And there is only so much "hardening" you can do to a system to handle 150 mph winds.


Hi. This is bullshite.

You absolutely can by decentralizing the grid and moving to new forms of Energy. A healthy mix of traditional power (Fossils, Nuclear) and renewables (Solar, Wind) can easily be done in South Louisiana.

You can use the new forms of power in peak conditions to either supply power to substations which hold batteries, or you can use the traditional power sources to maintain the batteries. Either way works.

You can supplement this by installing solar on all critical infrastructure, as well as covering canals, etc. with solar.

This kind of mix gives you redundancy. In the case of Ida, a node grid like this would have kept large pockets of the grid running during the day and would have been able to power critical infrastructure in the very least.

You can also start a home solar plan where Entergy gives ratepayers the option to have solar/battery installed for free with a maintenance fee in perpituity that would keep individual houses online in these events.

In fact, there's so many ways to make the grid more resilient I'm getting off track. The main point I'm making here is you're competely full of shite to think that our 1930s grid system is as good as we can do.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33866 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:04 pm to
Tesla wants into the game
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11701 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:13 pm to
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You absolutely can by decentralizing the grid and moving to new forms of Energy. A healthy mix of traditional power (Fossils, Nuclear) and renewables (Solar, Wind) can easily be done in South Louisiana.


Where are you placing the windmills and the solar farms in South Louisiana without getting a ton of farmers to sell their land, which in turn crushes our economy?

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You can use the new forms of power in peak conditions to either supply power to substations which hold batteries, or you can use the traditional power sources to maintain the batteries


Batteries do no good if you can't transmit the power because the infrastructure was destroyed by a hurricane.

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You can supplement this by installing solar on all critical infrastructure, as well as covering canals, etc. with solar.


What does "covering canals" even mean?

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The main point I'm making here is you're competely full of shite to think that our 1930s grid system is as good as we can do.


I agree, but your post is literally a "green new deal" pitch of bullshite that has zero practicality to actually solving the issue of the outdated power grid.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19677 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:13 pm to
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Have they done everything they can?


Moving lines underground would be a start, but they just keep replacing poles.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53733 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:14 pm to
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I haven’t had a problem with Entergy ever…


Have you ever had another power company?
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54051 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:19 pm to
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creating a municipally-owned power company.

Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8621 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:34 pm to
Now budget all this pie in the sky nonsense.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:37 pm to
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Moving lines underground would be a start, but they just keep replacing poles.



I was thinking about that.

Storm hits. Pole breaks. Entergy removes old pole, puts in new pole - same type of wooden pole.

Power comes back on. Entergy moves on.

When are they ever going to come back and bury the lines, or get a stronger pole, etc?

When the power goes out you have to quickly restore it. But they never takes the steps during the year to proactively improve things to prevent the pole from breaking.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:39 pm to
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The main point I'm making here is you're competely full of shite to think that our 1930s grid system is as good as we can do.



I think my posts clearly indicate I'm not defending Entergy or the current state of the power grid.

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You can also start a home solar plan where Entergy gives ratepayers the option to have solar/battery installed for free with a maintenance fee in perpituity that would keep individual houses online in these events.



Entergy would never go for that unless the maintenance fee exceeded the monthly lost power sales plus the amortization of the solar/battery cost.
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