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re: New Horizons completed the most distant space flyby in human history (Image added)

Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:18 pm to
Seems like it's probably two things that came together based on the dumbbell shape.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:20 pm to
That is what they are thinking. A pair of objects that smashed together.
Posted by GeneralLee
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:24 pm to
Based on the last image, looks like it could be two objects.
Posted by windshieldman
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:35 pm to
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It's all a function of when they were launched and how much excess escape velocity they gathered after all the gravitational assists were complete




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Basically, imagine that you have three cars.


Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 2:13 pm to
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But because of the gravity assist from Jupiter and I believe Saturn, NH will never be further than voyager

Correct. NH was launched from Earth at a higher velocity than the Voyagers were. The point was to require fewer slingshots (I think NH only made one at Jupiter) so the trip to Pluto wouldn't take decades. However, the multiple gravitational slingshots each Voyager made means that though NH left Earth at a higher velocity than the Voyagers did, the multiple gravitational slingshots that the Grand Tour required meant that the Voyagers ended up with a higher final velocity relative to the sun and NH can never end up farther away than the Voyagers barring some other outside influence.
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted by BurningHeart
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 2:21 pm to
That pic looks like some scrambled late night Cinemax
Posted by cypresstiger
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 3:47 pm to
This thread is SO much better than anything on the LSU Scoreboard right now
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 3:55 pm to
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barring some other outside influence.


Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 3:56 pm to
They’ll get better. Takes a long time to send back high res stuff but there should be pics semi comparable to Pluto
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 5:23 pm to
Looks like big foot
Posted by GeneralLee
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:30 pm to
New image that came out today shows it's the first contact binary we've seen! Shaped like a snowman almost.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:37 pm to




They better check their shutter speed.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:44 pm to
NH passed by at a distance of about 2,200 miles, which is crazy that they're going to be able to get a good high resolution at what is essentially the same as standing in Green Bay, Wisconsin and taking a picture of something in Los Angeles.

Updated image...it is two objects touching each other.



Good article: LINK
Posted by LSUJuice
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:16 pm to
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it is two objects touching each other.


But are they actually banging or just dry humping?
Posted by ShoeBang
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:30 pm to
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But are they actually banging or just dry humping?


No way that small rock could get his stalagmite into the big rock's cave from that angle.
Posted by loopback
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:36 pm to
Can someone explain to me how communication works in space? How does the craft send the "signal" and how does earth receive it? Obviously I know the craft sends information from an antenna and another antenna (on some space station?) receives it? Does the craft just broadcast the info in all directions or is it directional? How does RF travel through space? Is it slower or faster than travelling through atmosphere? I don't know anything about this stuff but it is very cool.
Posted by TheHarahanian
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:38 pm to
The picture taken by that satellite looks so much like a picture of Big Foot. Spooky.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:58 pm to
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Can someone explain to me how communication works in space? How does the craft send the "signal" and how does earth receive it? Obviously I know the craft sends information from an antenna and another antenna (on some space station?) receives it? Does the craft just broadcast the info in all directions or is it directional? How does RF travel through space? Is it slower or faster than travelling through atmosphere? I don't know anything about this stuff but it is very cool.


It's just a radio. The spacecraft has a pretty tiny transmitter and antenna on it that it points directly at Earth and transmits a narrow beam of radio waves just toward Earth. The dish on the spacecraft may be 6-10 feet in diameter and the transmitter might be something like 25 Watts because weight and power are very expensive to come by on spacecraft. Since the spacecraft is sending a tightly focused narrow beam of radio toward Earth instead of broadcasting in all directions like a radio station would, the transmitter's power can be pretty low and get the job done. Most HAM radio operators have far more powerful transmitters than a spacecraft will

On the other end, to compensate for the low power the spacecraft is broadcasting, Earth has the Deep Space Network, which is comprised of MANY giant antennas that we can swivel and rotate to point directly at the spacecraft we want to listen to and gather the very weak signal from the spacecraft then feed it through powerful amplifiers to boost it and pick it up out of the noise.

Here's a picture of just one of the DSN antennas with a pickup truck next to it for scale.



There are three receiving stations on the planet (each with multiple large antennas) spaced roughly 120 degrees of longitude apart (one in California, one in Spain, and one in Australia), so that as the planet rotates, there is always an antenna available to point at any arbitrary part of the sky, minus the far northern and southern horizons where we really don't have spacecraft that would require the capabilities of the Deep Space Network.

To talk back to the spacecraft, we just reverse the process, except we don't have the power limitations the spacecraft does and can use transmitters that might be 1000 times more powerful than the spacecraft's to make sure that our signal is loud enough for its systems to hear us clearly from all that distance away.

As for speed, radio waves travel through the vacuum of space essentially just like they do through the atmosphere. Technically, though, radio waves move SLIGHTLY faster through the vacuum of space than the atmosphere, but not really enough to matter. After all, that signal just traveled billions of miles through empty space and only 100 or so miles through the atmosphere. Due to the low power from the spacecraft, the frequencies used, and the vast distances, the data transfer rate that the spacecraft can reliably transmit is very low, only about 1 kB/sec for New Horizons. The Voyagers, for comparison, which are about three times further out with less sophisticated equipment, can only manage about 150 or so bytes a second.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 6:01 pm
Posted by Corkfather
Dallas
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:07 pm to
The fact that we can communicate with something so far away with no infrastructure is what really blows my mind.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:05 pm to
Theirs massive infrastructure, most is just here on earth though.
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