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re: Need Help With 2nd grade Homework

Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by TigerIron
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:43 pm to
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Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:43 pm to
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534 - 319 = 215


This. I have a 2nd grader at home.
Posted by NOLA Poboy
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:46 pm to
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534 - 319 = 215

Dont forget about the extra 10 hanging out with the ones.
544 - 329 = 215
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:47 pm to
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I don’t know what the frick this is.


The numbers remaining are equal to 215, I get that. I have no idea what it wants us to do with the crossed out numbers though.... maybe 220-5? I think the slash instead of horizontal-line is important... like we have to count it
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:48 pm to
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Kids are either going to get it or not get it, and the 'get it' usually doesn't really happen until pre-Algebra. There is nothing to really 'get' with basic addition/subtraction/etc.


I've never been taught that way and have no idea how it works, beyond seeing posts here, but as a general rule, all of the "common core math" people get so angry about isn't intended to replace long form paper and pencil work. It's to try to give them a tool, so when they become adults, they can do basic math in their heads.

The example I frequently give is in regards to percentages. The average adult can't do a 15% tip in their heads, or figure out what something costs at 30% off. But if you train them to break it down, do 10%, half of that, add it on, or do 10% and multiply it by three, the average adult can do that in their heads.

If people stopped screaming for a minute, they would understand that Section #3 isn't intended to be used in a future physics thesis; that's what Section #2 is for. And teaching Section #3 isn't undermining what's learned in Section #2 in the least.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by High C
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:48 pm to
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this is common core bull shite.


But it makes you *think* about math.
Posted by Cajunhawk81
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:49 pm to
220 cis-gendered white males, murder 5 in a peaceful protest and how many cis-gendered white males do you have left?
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:58 pm to
What are those lines that look like a 1 and a 4? What is the purpose of any of this???
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

I've never been taught that way and have no idea how it works, beyond seeing posts here, but as a general rule, all of the "common core math" people get so angry about isn't intended to replace long form paper and pencil work. It's to try to give them a tool, so when they become adults, they can do basic math in their heads.

The example I frequently give is in regards to percentages. The average adult can't do a 15% tip in their heads, or figure out what something costs at 30% off. But if you train them to break it down, do 10%, half of that, add it on, or do 10% and multiply it by three, the average adult can do that in their heads.

If people stopped screaming for a minute, they would understand that Section #3 isn't intended to be used in a future physics thesis; that's what Section #2 is for. And teaching Section #3 isn't undermining what's learned in Section #2 in the least.



your wasting you time trying to explain it to them.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

534 - 319 = 215



quote:

Dont forget about the extra 10 hanging out with the ones.
544 - 329 = 215


pretty sure the 544-329 is correct.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:00 pm to
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your wasting you time trying to explain it to them.


Meh, not my first time tilting at this particular windmill on here. I feel like as long as I make a person or two think before they repost a common core meme on facebook, it's worth it
Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:01 pm to
Not a chance in hell I would "get" this in second grade.
Posted by DirtyDawg
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:02 pm to
Yup, I got way too high today


Wtf is this
Posted by leftovergumbo
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:04 pm to
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Dont forget about the extra 10 hanging out with the ones.

That's just showing where the the ten was moved to the ones column
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:05 pm to
My point is not about what the intent is, it's a matter of 'will this actually work' because I do not believe it will. It might help the ones who would already figure shite out on their own, but the ones who would ordinarily not understand will continue to not understand
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:05 pm to
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its 2 hundred circles and 1 ten circle and one diagonal ten circle for the 220, and then 5 singles

What in tarnation?
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted by AkronTiger
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Member since May 2021
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:07 pm to
I don’t know how to do this

But I’m guessing that the scratched out are subtracted, and one of the tens is broken up into ones as directed by the arrow (notice the mark out is unique to the ten that is broken up).

We have five total 100s, three total tens and four total ones. Then, you break up a ten into ten additional ones.

From there you mark out (or subtract) three one hundreds, one ten and nine ones.

So I’ll say 534 - 319 = 215
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:10 pm to
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My point is not about what the intent is, it's a matter of 'will this actually work' because I do not believe it will. It might help the ones who would already figure shite out on their own, but the ones who would ordinarily not understand will continue to not understand


I have no opinion on that. I haven't read an ounce of the literature claiming to lay the foundation for this kind of lesson. When I jump into the fray on threads like this, it's purely to counter the prevailing sentiment on here which is:

quote:

Are we teaching kids to be math impaired?


The above is asinine. Anyone in charge of creating lesson plans who would read or hear something like that would immediately ignore it as asinine. Even if someone is opposed to common core, especially if someone is opposed to common core, you need to understand the intended purpose for its existence. Because once someone makes it clear that they don't, they are immediately going to be ignored by those in a position to make decisions.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2095 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:12 pm to
I spent 10 years in college and left with my PhD in solving highly non-linear, multidimensional, coupled partial differential equations on the worlds largest supercomputers.

I have no fricking clue what the correct answer is to this problem.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5572 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:13 pm to
This makes no sense to me.
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