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re: Nearly 25,000 fast food workers in California have lost their jobs past year.

Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:22 am to
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:22 am to
Wonder how many jobs were never created when people decided not to get into the fast food business.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39672 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:24 am to
Effs given = 0point0
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2869 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:42 am to
I would love to see a survey of the "technology" implemented to see if there is a corresponding rise. It would make sense but haven't seen any data.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17717 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:47 am to
The Taco Bell on Siegen Lane takes your order via AI. It was perfect and even got my specialty requests correct. It was only a matter of time before some of these front line jobs disappear no matter what the weight scale was.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
29635 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:47 am to
Gavin is the Democrats savior

He will make all of America proud to be like California.

Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
52540 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:54 am to
quote:

The Taco Bell on Siegen Lane takes your order via AI. It was perfect and even got my specialty requests correct. It was only a matter of time before some of these front line jobs disappear no matter what the weight scale was


Could have been replaced years ago, now they think it's cost effective. I think we will see in a few years once they go through a few repair cycles.

Guessing they outsourced IT, that is on call
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
26964 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:55 am to
They want to impose that minimum wage on the entire country.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59315 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:34 am to
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I would love to see a survey of the "technology" implemented to see if there is a corresponding rise. It would make sense but haven't seen any data.


You may not have seen a study on it, but there is data on it as you are seeing it happen in real time.

Once the cost of labor exceeds that of automation, businesses in that field will move those jobs to automation. This was a stance many of us took years ago when just the $15/hour minimum wage hike was being pushed.

The problem comes from people who can't reconcile that the economy has changed from their romanticized views of it from the 1950s and 1960s (which has been passed down to following generations). It used to be that a majority of jobs were low-to-no-skill jobs and those jobs provided experience which workers could use to eventually parlay into higher pay (going to other employers, getting raises, promotions, etc).

Low-paying jobs are low-to-no-skill jobs. As such, there takes little-to-no-valued specialization to do them, so employers aren't having to pay a premium for specialized labor as technology decreases the amount of such labor needed (even though the supply of that level of labor remains high). Labor is also the single largest expense of any business (averages around 25% of profits) so when it comes to cutting costs because the cost of inputs is rising, labor is often a big target.

Those jobs are also often more easily automated, meaning as time goes on and we become more and more technology-based, entry-level workers will need some level of skills' training in order to compete with automation as well as other low-end workers. This has slowly been the case for decades, but until recently those low-end workers could always move from one field (assembly lines, for example) to another (like fast food). We're quickly coming to a point where the push for higher wages is moving more and more of those jobs into the range where automation is cheaper. As an example, look at how Amazon moves goods around its warehouses and understand we're likely going to see something like that hitting the all the major companies that have large warehousing/shipping aspects (Walmart, for example) within the next 20 years. Within 30, it's likely that technology moves to the stores (Costco, Walmart, etc).

Raising the minimum wage to try to keep up with that only speeds up the drive to automate, which makes it harder for low-to-no-skill workers to find jobs.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
8521 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:40 am to
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Yep. But the CEOs get a huge bonus when this happens while the workers get nothing but minimum wages. Imagine that


And the CEO makes multibillion dollar decisions daily, while the worker only has to ask “would you like fries with that”.

I’ll never understand the envy some have.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37087 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:56 am to
Unless they bake bread in which case they can still pay their employees less. Because Newsome’s buddy owned a bunch of Panera’s or some shite.

Nothing says “we know this isn’t a good idea” like trying to spare your friends from having to do it.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
97055 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:57 am to
This is shocking news…..


to no one. So in essence the demand for a very high minimum wage people not only crippled the industry, but also displaced workers in the process
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74888 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:59 am to
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Yep. But the CEOs get a huge bonus when this happens while the workers get nothing but minimum wages. Imagine that.


communism….err, socialism, isn’t going to happen here skippy. go back to Reddit and help plot the murder of the next CEO.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 9:05 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115489 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:01 am to
Hmmmm...

I wonder what California has done in the last year that could have caused this?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44325 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:06 am to
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Fast food jobs were generally taken by short term employees such as high school students and such but with the higher wage there’s probably more competition from long term employees and the the short term employees have lost their place. Just a hunch.


This doesn’t make sense to me.

Are you suggesting that there are 25,000 “long term” part time employees that are now full time. Because if not, the OT costs more.

Unless automation has been instituted, then I would suggest that those 25,000 employees were fired and simply not replaced as a cost saving measure.

Those lost jobs are directly tied to the policy (except at Panera, they got a VERY specific carve out that could only apply to them. Newsome is best buds with the owner of Panera, so perhaps that is part of the equation?).

Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:13 am to
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There were 2 choices, cut back on workers or raise the prices….they chose to implement technology and cut back on workers.

Yea people are expensive.

A $1 Million machine that replaces 6 workers (3 shifts 2 people) might replace $40k in salary per but then $60k in related costs (training, insurance etc...) pays for itself in 3 years (Assuming low maintenance costs over the first 3 years).
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8690 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:19 am to
order kiosks reduce a need of three counter cashiers to one on standby that doubles as an order server.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63102 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:19 am to
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Yep. But the CEOs get a huge bonus when this happens while the workers get nothing but minimum wages. Imagine that


One is easily replaceable. One is not.

Your bleeding heart can’t handle reality.
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
2214 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:20 am to
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The Taco Bell on Siegen Lane takes your order via AI. It was perfect and even got my specialty requests correct. It was only a matter of time before some of these front line jobs disappear no matter what the weight scale was.

Yep, steak n’ shake near me has cooks, food runners and kiosk.
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
91793 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:22 am to
I just thank the good lord California pumps by far the most money into the American economy.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5941 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:37 am to
Almost as if market manipulation and forcing things into an economy is generally bad for it, but what do I know.
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