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re: My company counter offered and I took it. Did I frick up?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:37 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:37 pm to cokebottleag
That was quite a TL;DR just to brag about your raise
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:38 pm to JackieTreehorn
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If they laid you off once they will lay you off again baw.
Ol baw should have dragged that bitch up
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:39 pm to slackster
The first time was solely money, and I should specify that I blindsided them and never asked for the raise prior to seeking another job. I was too chicken shite at the time. I was getting paid about $20k less than I was worth because they took a bit of a flier in my original promotion. The 2nd time there were some legitimate issues to be concerned about in staying with them, and they didn't seem to take the issues seriously until I had another job offer. It came with a raise and the ways they addressed my concerns made sense, and actually did get addressed. Could have bit me in the arse for sure
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:40 pm to slackster
quote:Yeah he went from a raise of 1/3x % (turned down) to 2/3x to x(turned down), to x+y (new company to 25%(back. to old company). That tells you x wasn't that high to begin with.
I'm thinking he probably had an offer to leave for 20ish% more than he was making, but ultimately decided to stay for 25% more with his current company. That doesn't seem worth it given the original concerns.
Maybe he's dealing with a large salary here making the amounts significant, but if you're already that high you already think in terms of pct, not amount.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:40 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
1) No, you did the right thing. In a reorg, you look out for Team Cokebottle first.
2) They fired you. It didn't take long for you to get new offers. Obviously a good sign.
3) No alarm bells yet is good, BUT.....
I bet within a year you are looking again. Stats show those who take internal counters will leave anyway within 6-12 months. Your situation "may" differ since you were fired initially, but again, my concern would be stability where you are.
Another reason I would be concerned: If there were cuts, and you got this HUGE raise, guess who will be first in line for the next firing? Yep.
Also, not to mention the obvious: They refused to give you what you asked for until you almost left. They could have given it to you the entire time. I would no longer trust them.
All of this.
If this was a typical counter offer situation: Employee looks for job, gets offer, tells new job, gets counter offer - Then I'd probably say Maybe not, but possibly.
But the lay off/firing, the company situation, etc. all alarm bells. I would have bolted in that situation. Not worth it.
And yes on the majority of counter offers that end in someone leaving anyway is bigger than people think. As a manager, you want to hire people that you are eventually unable to keep because they are too good. That SHOULD be the goal. There are lots of skilled people out there, as soon as someone shows their cards they typically don't change their opinion and still want to leave.
In this situation, I'd agree with EZE, you are almost guaranteed to leave in under 18 months in one form or another.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:41 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:
The first time was solely money, and I should specify that I blindsided them and never asked for the raise prior to seeking another job. I was too chicken shite at the time.
, that's usually how the first time goes for everyone. quote:
It came with a raise and the ways they addressed my concerns made sense, and actually did get addressed.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:42 pm to cokebottleag
No, you did good.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:42 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
Apparently my resignation set off a fire drill in the company and all the way up to the senior VP of ops essentially said 'give cokebottle whatever he wants to get him to stay.'
Never let it be said that OP doesn't fantasize bigly.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:44 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
I'm a project manager
What does that even mean?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:44 pm to cokebottleag
Unlike the others I DID read the op.
I think you played it properly. You got noticed in a positive manner from top of the food chain and they agreed with your reasoning, plus you got a bump in pay for the "difficulties" the company reorganization caused over the year end holidays.
I'd buy ya a drink but you're the one got the raise
I think you played it properly. You got noticed in a positive manner from top of the food chain and they agreed with your reasoning, plus you got a bump in pay for the "difficulties" the company reorganization caused over the year end holidays.
I'd buy ya a drink but you're the one got the raise
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:45 pm to cokebottleag
Good decision
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:45 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
- I express some concern to my boss that I feel like I am in limbo over the holidays; he has told me I am the 1st pick for the 'new' position, but I am still uneasy. He goes to some length to get HR to expedite the process of interviews and approval, I get my offer letter for about 1/3 of the increase that I told him I should deserve. I negotiate with him and the HR manager and bring it up to about 2/3 of what I asked, and I sign the offer before the holidays. Even though I signed the offer, people who I've worked with as colleagues interviewing me for essentially the same job was pretty humiliating even though they weren't dicks about it.
This where you stop.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:47 pm to cokebottleag
Damn coke, congrats on going from 75k to 100k a year. 
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:52 pm to cokebottleag
Nope.
You are selling time chunks of your life.
Your company laid you off and made you apply for a new position with no guarantees of employment.
You are entitled to protect yourself and your family.
You are selling time chunks of your life.
Your company laid you off and made you apply for a new position with no guarantees of employment.
You are entitled to protect yourself and your family.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:52 pm to cokebottleag
I have a similar story.
I took a side job when business at my "real job" was slow. I eventually got really good at my side job. They made me an offer to go full time. There was a slight paycut but 100% WFH. When I calculated my commuting expenses, it was actually a slight raise.
I presented this to my employer, gave them a six week notice. I fully expected them to counter offer. They didn't. Then I expected them to bring in a new person asap so I could train them, taking advantage of the generous 6 week notice I gave. Nope. I might as well have just walked out.
So.... things are going ok at my new company, two months later I get a call from a customer of my old company, a customer for whom I did most of my work....
Things had become a shitshow. They doubled my previous pay to onboard with them and basically manage the relationship between them and my previous employer. So Im my old boss's boss's boss's boss.
My pay was literally doubled in a 3 month timeframe.
I took a side job when business at my "real job" was slow. I eventually got really good at my side job. They made me an offer to go full time. There was a slight paycut but 100% WFH. When I calculated my commuting expenses, it was actually a slight raise.
I presented this to my employer, gave them a six week notice. I fully expected them to counter offer. They didn't. Then I expected them to bring in a new person asap so I could train them, taking advantage of the generous 6 week notice I gave. Nope. I might as well have just walked out.
So.... things are going ok at my new company, two months later I get a call from a customer of my old company, a customer for whom I did most of my work....
Things had become a shitshow. They doubled my previous pay to onboard with them and basically manage the relationship between them and my previous employer. So Im my old boss's boss's boss's boss.
My pay was literally doubled in a 3 month timeframe.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:00 pm to castorinho
quote:
Yeah he went from a raise of 1/3x % (turned down) to 2/3x to x(turned down), to x+y (new company to 25%(back. to old company). That tells you x wasn't that high to begin with.
I'm a complete nerd, but I had this entire thing written down plugging in variables.
(x/3)% - offer to stay
(1+y%)*(x%) - his original offer that he countered to the new company
(1+y%)*(1+y%)*(x%)= 25% - his final accepted offer
x = whatever he originally was promised
y = his "reasonable increase" he likely used on his two counters
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:02 pm to cokebottleag
You did everything right. Those other companies will still be there in the future.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:02 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:you're terrible at math, baw.
Damn coke, congrats on going from 75k to 100k a year
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:09 pm to cokebottleag
Only read the OP,
Goddamnit, you Aggies are liars and cheaters in addition to being limp-wristed.
I’m sure the cokebottle reference is something I don’t want to know about.
tl/dr: Your described shenanigans would insure you’d never work for me.
Goddamnit, you Aggies are liars and cheaters in addition to being limp-wristed.
I’m sure the cokebottle reference is something I don’t want to know about.
tl/dr: Your described shenanigans would insure you’d never work for me.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:15 pm to cokebottleag
You did right. I mean it was an unbelievable job you did. And taking it to OT after was just perfect. Keep it up. You going places son.
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