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re: My company counter offered and I took it. Did I frick up?

Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
25317 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:59 pm to
I read it, interesting. Congratulations!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:59 pm to
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Make and maintain relationships with other companies for when your co folds.


Especially that 3rd company he threw into the narrative without ever discussing again.
Posted by Belly
Member since Dec 2016
246 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:59 pm to
Subtle "I'm employed" brag.



But really I think you did the right thing. I am generally one to stick with the devil I know, and it seems to me the fact that the old (and new) employer asking "so we're good? No hard feelings?" is a pretty good sign.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31991 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:02 pm to
laid you off once, they'll lay you off again. should have jumped ship.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24440 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

I thought you were a chick, by the way you come off from the text, until you mentioned your wife.



What is this 1999 you homophobic prick, maybe she's a lesbian.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:09 pm to
That’s because I didn’t want to make the OP any longer than it was

I told them I’d accepted another offer but thank you for the time.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24440 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:11 pm to
OP, you need to seriously be asking yourself why after almost laying you off can your company now afford you at 125% of your old salary? I mean think about that for a second, one month they can't afford you and the next month you are worth more to them?

Plenty of companies restructure and come out better, but plenty of companies restructure and then go bankrupt.

So just because YOU got a raise, I'd still do some digging to figure out what's going on with your company and your long term future.

ETA: I'd also seriously question any upper management that laid people off if they then expected to hire them back under the same terms. OP did exactly what everyone should do, and honestly your management should commend you for it.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:12 pm to
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Moral of the story - You're not asking for nearly enough.


Yeah I think I’m probably still below market for my skill set, but I’m basically given free reign to work from home when I want, which is huge.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55457 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:14 pm to
My job is to deal with people like you for a living.

1) No, you did the right thing. In a reorg, you look out for Team Cokebottle first.
2) They fired you. It didn't take long for you to get new offers. Obviously a good sign.
3) No alarm bells yet is good, BUT.....

I bet within a year you are looking again. Stats show those who take internal counters will leave anyway within 6-12 months. Your situation "may" differ since you were fired initially, but again, my concern would be stability where you are.

Another reason I would be concerned: If there were cuts, and you got this HUGE raise, guess who will be first in line for the next firing? Yep.

Also, not to mention the obvious: They refused to give you what you asked for until you almost left. They could have given it to you the entire time. I would no longer trust them.

I've been in your situation twice, BTW. Once I was fired/rehired. I left within a year. The second time, once the org announced "potential" cuts, I just left.

There. My .02.

TLDR: You will likely leave in a year anyway and your company likely isn't as stable as you think. You should have taken the other offer.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 5:16 pm
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
88334 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:18 pm to
(Almost) never give your current company an opportunity to counter. In most cases, won't end well in the long run.
Also, lots of indecisiveness on your part. You jumped twice on decent but not great raises. There's more to it than money. Especially when you already had some concerns with your current employer
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:19 pm to
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Yeah I think I’m probably still below market for my skill set, but I’m basically given free reign to work from home when I want, which is huge.


I think the takeaway should be that your opinion of "reasonably higher" isn't really that high at all. You got 3 raises, 2 of which you solicited from competing companies, and still only ended at 25% of where you started. Those counters weren't enough.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127593 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:20 pm to
My advice is always the same. Choose bosses not jobs. If you love the boss you will love the job. If you hate the boss, then...
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:21 pm to
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You jumped twice on decent but not great raises. There's more to it than money. Especially when you already had some concerns with your current employer


I'm thinking he probably had an offer to leave for 20ish% more than he was making, but ultimately decided to stay for 25% more with his current company. That doesn't seem worth it given the original concerns.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17048 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:22 pm to
All of this. Sounds like he’s in a bad company that’s alrrady in a bad sector. A little less money for a lot more stability might be worth it.
Posted by fillmoregandt
OTM
Member since Nov 2009
14368 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:27 pm to
Exactly. Op got greedy, each time upping his price. While it worked out for now, long term in his current job (the one that’s already fired him once), his abnormally high salary will be the first to be cut in the next wave of restructure
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:30 pm to
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Generally, I've been told it's not good to accept the old job's counter offer. I have moved on from old employers three times in the passed 10 years after rejecting what I thought were decent counter offers. I hope it works out for you though


Contrarily, I've accepted my employer's counter offer twice now and have seen no adverse effects.

People understand it's just business. You need money, I need money, and if we were aren't satisfied with our pay then we figure out how to fix it.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31991 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:30 pm to
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Op got greedy,


not greedy enough. only ended up with a 25% bump.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:30 pm to
Always take the highest $$$ offered.

This is America. No one gives a flying frick who you scorn/how.

It isn't personal, it's business.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:31 pm to
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Generally, I've been told it's not good to accept the old job's counter offer.


unless you get the counter offer on the way to the other interview (guess that wasn't really counter to anything was it?) and you were just interviewing out of boredom anyway
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:35 pm to
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Contrarily, I've accepted my employer's counter offer twice now and have seen no adverse effects. People understand it's just business. You need money, I need money, and if we were aren't satisfied with our pay then we figure out how to fix it.


I would always be tentative at a company who won't pay me what I deserve until I have another offer in hand.

I understand leverage, and bravo for using it, but I'd prefer to be paid appropriately without all the rigmarole.
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