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re: My company counter offered and I took it. Did I frick up?

Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:16 pm to
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I was (and still am) worried about my current company's and market sector's future. Business is not great and has been stagnant for a while in our sector.
this would make me a bit uneasy
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4613 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:23 pm to
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about 4 people (I'm the only American)

First alarm. Why are you the only American? Is your office in Japan?
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I'm strongly hinted at that I'm safe.
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Early December our group is informed that we are laid off

Second alarm. Why would you not be told this ahead of time if you're safe? And why would they not just restructure you from the old org to the new without layoff?

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re-applying for my 'new job'
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people who I've worked with as colleagues interviewing me for essentially the same job

Third alarm. Why make you jump through those hoops at all if they want you?

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I get my offer letter for about 1/3 of the increase that I told him I should deserve.

Fourth alarm. You made your expectations known and they ignored them and tried to low-ball you.


Unless you went from contractor to company man, it sounds like they just want you to be the transition guy. They'll pay you well for 7-10 months then once the other PMs are nice and familiar with the company you'll get the axe and they'll hire someone at less than your original salary.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28290 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:24 pm to
It should be obvious that you are grossly underpaid. You should be asking for at least 30% increase when changing companies. Don’t be modest. You likely are still 25% under paid.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
45299 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:24 pm to
It sounds like it all worked out. Plus, in the event that shite goes south, you seem to be able to find something else. Lastly, you went through the process, so that can't hurt either. Enjoy the new circumstances and don't let paranoia get in the eay of being happy (or even content).
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69557 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:26 pm to
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you're terrible at math, baw.


Guilty as charged.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:32 pm to
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Christ Alive. Some of y'all do TL;DR responses to shite that takes all of 90 seconds to read.


It's almost like we have illiterates on here.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27936 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:40 pm to
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My job is to deal with people like you for a living.

1) No, you did the right thing. In a reorg, you look out for Team Cokebottle first.
2) They fired you. It didn't take long for you to get new offers. Obviously a good sign.
3) No alarm bells yet is good, BUT.....

I bet within a year you are looking again. Stats show those who take internal counters will leave anyway within 6-12 months. Your situation "may" differ since you were fired initially, but again, my concern would be stability where you are.

Another reason I would be concerned: If there were cuts, and you got this HUGE raise, guess who will be first in line for the next firing? Yep.

Also, not to mention the obvious: They refused to give you what you asked for until you almost left. They could have given it to you the entire time. I would no longer trust them.

I've been in your situation twice, BTW. Once I was fired/rehired. I left within a year. The second time, once the org announced "potential" cuts, I just left.

There. My .02.

TLDR: You will likely leave in a year anyway and your company likely isn't as stable as you think. You should have taken the other offer.
Quoted like a Director of HR. All true as well.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99034 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:42 pm to
Absolutely fricked up. You’ll be the first let go when cuts come
Posted by mailman
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
6143 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:47 pm to
No you didn't screw up but its shitty to know that you've been underpaid this whole time and are probably still undervalued. Should have jumped on the other deal and climbed the ladder. Now your company owns you
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
Member since Oct 2017
6392 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:02 pm to
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So OT, did I frick up?


Sounds like you handled that by the book to me

You can’t just sit around waiting for your last day. You were technically given notice, you looked for and found new work and your employer decided they wanted to keep you. And at the same time, you’ve established what your market value is outside of your company.
Posted by PainTrain4017
Member since Jan 2019
423 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:04 pm to
You wrote a novel.... neat.
Posted by Spankum
The Sip
Member since Jan 2007
63270 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:11 pm to
I have no patience at all for such haggling and mind games. I do my absolute best for whomever is paying me. I don't complain, even when things suck. When things get shitty enough, I make the decision to change jobs and once that happens, there is nothing more to discuss. As I see it, they should have been appreciative enough to keep me satisfied without any drama.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
11426 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:12 pm to
You will be let go in one month due to overpaid project managers.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
22014 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:16 pm to
Not like a lot of dicks on this forum I read every word. You did real well! Congrats!
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:17 pm to
Way too much to read but basically congrats on the last raise you are gonna receive at that company and you will probably go looking for a job in 6 months anyway
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49099 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:18 pm to
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No one is reading that, man.


Ah frick it. My son sits the bench and I'm stuck at his basketball game for next hour. I'll go read it OP. You long-winded frick.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15825 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:19 pm to
Tell that little frick to strike out and get the game moving. Ivars is needing you
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49099 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:20 pm to
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Tell that little frick to strike out and get the game moving. Ivars is needing you

My girlfriend is there now drunk with some old chicks and chatting with her BFF the bartender. Go buy her a drink and I'll be there by 9.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99034 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:21 pm to
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basketball game


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Tell that little frick to strike out


Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49099 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:22 pm to
Forgive Him. He's a Matt Morris Disciple.

On topic I took a counter offer one time and it was a great idea. Depends on if you were treated fairly and they just overlooked your value(busy bosses and such) or if they intentionally lowballed you till they couldn't anymore.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:24 pm
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