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Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
Almost all of metropolitan Miami is built on reclaimed Everglades. This includes Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, and other coastal cities in South Florida, once you start getting a couple miles inland.
Look at Google Earth and you’ll see canals in the western suburbs like New Orleans, except theirs are landscaped, and made to be a nice water feature unlike somewhere else I know.
Look at Google Earth and you’ll see canals in the western suburbs like New Orleans, except theirs are landscaped, and made to be a nice water feature unlike somewhere else I know.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:14 pm to LSUneaux
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How does Miami not have subsidence issues like we do? I’m here in Florida on vacation, and there are skyscrapers everywhere, massive highways not unlike Texas, and over six million people in the metropolitan area.
Yet they are next to a large body of water and BUILT ON A SWAMP TOO.
Most all of South Florida sits on a bed of limestone. I think even "reclaimed" areas.
It certainly presents its own geological issues (sinkholes are a big problem for one), but it's a lot different than the 50+ foot of muck a place like the airport in Kenner is sitting on.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:28 pm to Klingler7
quote:I honestly haven’t looked too much into it because I only use 15-20+ times a year. From what I remember hearing, Atlantic/Signature were going to take the Delta terminal because it was still under the federal threshold that it couldn’t be demolished. Does that sound anywhere near accurate?
No word when Atlantic will move, if ever ?
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:34 pm to The Hurricane
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I honestly haven’t looked too much into it because I only use 15-20+ times a year. From what I remember hearing, Atlantic/Signature were going to take the Delta terminal because it was still under the federal threshold that it couldn’t be demolished. Does that sound anywhere near accurate?
One of the plans I have heard is that, in the old terminal:
A and B would be demolished
C would be converted to office/meeting space
D would be used for charters / general aviation
To the extent Atlantic/Signature have jet service, then I could see them using D.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
I’m not sure how things will play out. I know it’s been crazy because we charter larger planes through Atlantic and it’s crazy getting in and out of Aberdeen. Will only get worse if this thing ever opens and they don’t move to Terminal D.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:15 pm to doubleb
Yes, Gallo Mechanical recruited him and he opened a plumbing company without holding any plumbing liscense in Louisiana. Gallo needed a DBE to secure the contract and a close friend of Mitch Landrieu secured it.
Square Button did provide labor but it was mostly unskilled laborers
All of it stinks, but that isnt why the plumbing is screwed. The building is sinking and the hangers are cracking the pipe
The hanger is pushing down on the pipe the pipe cant give because of the soil and the pipe ctacks or breaks at ghat pinch point.
Square Button did provide labor but it was mostly unskilled laborers
All of it stinks, but that isnt why the plumbing is screwed. The building is sinking and the hangers are cracking the pipe
The hanger is pushing down on the pipe the pipe cant give because of the soil and the pipe ctacks or breaks at ghat pinch point.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:22 pm to Sentrius
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This new terminal needs to be shut down until it's completely finished with all the necessary road infrastructure including the flyover ramp.
The current terminal may not look world class but it's still serviceable and runs fine and that's why there's no harm in waiting a few years to get it right for a finished product with the new terminal. There's no rush here.
If Ralph Abraham or Eddie Rispone is elected Governor, I would not be surprised to see them take this position.
It will open (hopefully) before either one of them takes office. So going back will not be an option. Plus this whole thing is NOLA run and not state run.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:20 pm to WhiteMandingo
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he bldg is built on pile caps so pilings are driven into the ground in tight clusters then rebar and concrete are added making a pedestal below the surface then the re bar is tied into concrete pilings or columns and that is what comes out the ground and then built on.
If these clusters are sinking (which they are) its going down and the pipe stuck in the soil being held up by the soil around it the you have a hanger connected to the bottom of the slab pushing down on pvc pipe causing the pressure points thus causing broken pipes
I don't know anything about the situation, and I don't quite understand what this guy is talking about, but I'm fully confident that he is right.
If he's full of shite, he sold it 100% on delivery. I'd bet cash money what he said is true.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:33 pm to WeeWee
If the building is sinking this quickly, the plumbing is the least of their problem.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:10 pm to WhiteMandingo
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If these clusters are sinking (which they are) its going down and the pipe stuck in the soil being held up by the soil around it the you have a hanger connected to the bottom of the slab pushing down on pvc pipe causing the pressure points thus causing broken pipes
All of this is wrong. Completely wrong. Jesus.
A pile supported slab is, conceptually, an elevated slab. The load of the foundation is carried by the piles. Essentially, the soil is nothing more than a form to place the slab. The last time the soil “sees” the slab is the day it’s placed. As the soil subsides, the slab stays where it is.
The hangers for under slab utilities are exactly that: hangers suspending the pipes under the slab. From the article, it appears that the hangers were installed at a greater spacing than designed, causing sagging in the pipes and breaks.
Now, the contractor doesn’t get to just decide not to install hangers per plans. And this isn’t exactly a place where skimping makes sense, it’s south Louisiana and the soil is going to swell and settle. Fact. Furthermore every job I ever built had 3rd party inspections in addition to architect and engineer inspections. And the Parish typically checks stuff like this for deviations from plans in installation.
So one of two things is true: either the drawings were wrong or they asked for ways to cut costs and this got approved.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:31 pm to kengel2
Or, as in this case, basically be the contractor in name only while using a much larger company’s (Gallo) resources and manpower. Win win for both parties. But kinda defeats the purpose of DBE.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:37 pm to elprez00
I’ve heard that they are having to install sewer lift stations. So to me, that seems like it’s a hell of a lot more than some broken pipes due to insufficient hangers and that the building is settling in some areas affecting the slope of the pipe. But I’m no engineer.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:53 pm to crownNbull
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I’ve heard that they are having to install sewer lift stations. So to me, that seems like it’s a hell of a lot more than some broken pipes due to insufficient hangers and that the building is settling in some areas affecting the slope of the pipe. But I’m no engineer.
Spann admitted the soil has already subsided anywhere from 6-to-10 inches in spots underneath the terminal.
Whoever you heard this from is correct they are installing sewer lift stations. I'm hearing they will need another $400-500 million over the next 48 months to deal with the foundation problems at this airport.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:11 am to LSUFanHouston
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Experts say hangers cost approximately $6 each
What? That's absurd.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:19 am to crownNbull
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I’ve heard that they are having to install sewer lift stations. So to me, that seems like it’s a hell of a lot more than some broken pipes due to insufficient hangers and that the building is settling in some areas affecting the slope of the pipe. But I’m no engineer.
A lift station is exactly what it sounds like. It lifts stuff from a lower elevation to a higher elevation. So if the parish main sewer line is at 4’ and the line from the new airport ends up at -1’, then you put a lift station in at the main connection to pump the sewerage off site. Those issues are likely unrelated. You put lift stations in all the time in New Orleans.
It’s trippy building in New Orleans. I remember when i saw my first set of plans where finish floor elevation was a negative number.
I just want to say again: a job this size for the city will have 3rd party inspections. The city will hire a copy who’s job is to ensure compliance with the drawings. I seriously doubt the 3rd party, parish mechanical, and engineers all missed incorrect spacing on plumbing hangers. In my experience that’s something that’s always checked.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:40 am to VoodooDoctor
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But kinda defeats the purpose of DBE.
That's the point. It's only a win for Landrieus people, its a loss for all taxpayers.
The dude is dead weight(ETA:On this project) being paid $5 million because he's black.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 8:27 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:39 am to TigerFanatic99
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What? That's absurd.
It could be depending on what type of hangers they are. Im not a plumber, but we just got some 3/8" steel rod hangers and they were like $2/piece. Our guy borrowed some hangers from a plumber and those were $20/piece.
If you just wrap a steel rod around the pipe its cheap. If you use the hangers with the pipe clamps they are stupid expensive but we are talking abput a 10" pipe clamp.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:46 am to tgrbaitn08
Holy shite.
Adding this to the list.
This here needs to be ran with.
Adding this to the list.
This here needs to be ran with.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:19 am to elprez00
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So one of two things is true: either the drawings were wrong or they asked for ways to cut costs and this got approved.
It seemed the original plans were for 5' spacing, The city inspectors rejected that and stated code was 2', they negotiated and settled on 3'.
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