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re: Media helicopter crashes live on air in Los Angeles

Posted on 9/16/26 at 11:48 am to
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
4303 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 11:48 am to
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You cannot pay me enough money to get on a helicopter.


I got the opportunity to take multiple flights when I was a summer intern back in 1982. It was fun as hell, but yes, they are dangerous.

They are the motorcycles of the air.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9791 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 11:53 am to
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Why not just operate a drone man? No need for this.


Range, speed, ability to to get certain shots are fast becoming less of an issue but current FAA regulations on drone use still make it very problematic.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
4303 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 11:59 am to
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Reportedly now a bus full of reporters has also wrecked on its way out to cover the helicopter crash site….


So a bus crash led to a helicopter crash which led to another bus crash?
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
5305 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:14 pm to
What part of “In my opinion” did you assholes not understand LOL
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
8969 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:29 pm to
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The media is scum and they all need to die.


Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
67472 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:36 pm to
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The media is scum

Absolutely

quote:

they all need to die.

I wouldn't go that far. Losing jobs and or imprisoned should be sufficient
Posted by cajungoalie
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
770 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:40 pm to
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Reportedly now a bus full of reporters has also wrecked on its way out to cover the helicopter crash site….


Not proud..but I chuckled.
Posted by TD422
Destrehan, LA
Member since Jun 2019
1039 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:45 pm to
At 0:08, it appears that the helicopter begins "backing away" from the bus scene...does this make sense if the tail rotor dropped? Is the helicopter moving in reverse that swiftly? Or is it just an illusion and the camera is panning out?
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2527 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 1:32 pm to
Talked to a guy that did traffic reporting in Atlanta. I asked him," How do you get from reporting traffic around mid-town/Georgia Tech, then fly south where I-675 meets meets I-75"? " How do you avoid all the airplanes at Hartsfield"?

"You fly right down the middle of the airport". " The planes leaving to the west, I didn't worry about, the planes arriving from the east always concerned me". " There is nothing aloft in the middle".

frick that.
This post was edited on 9/16/26 at 1:41 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
42462 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 1:37 pm to
Mid-field crossovers are pretty standard.
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
2702 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 1:52 pm to
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Mid-field crossovers are pretty standard.


makes sense. only place where there are no planes aloft.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2527 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 2:07 pm to
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Mid-field crossovers are pretty standard.


I don't want to threadjack, but isn't this actually what didn't happen with the Army helicopter and American Airlines flight 5342 at Ronald Reagan airport Washington D.C.?

The collision occurred at 8:47 p.m. at an altitude of about 300 feet (100 m) and about one-half mile (800 m) short of the threshold of runway 33 at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in Arlington, Virginia. All 67 people aboard both aircraft were killed in the crash, 64 passengers and crew on the airliner and the three crew of the helicopter.

Was it the ATC or incompetance? Height seems ok, if you're in the middle of the airport.

Just a thought.
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
6921 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 3:24 pm to
Looks to me like the camera is panning out, they were probably flying towards the bus scene with it oriented on the left side and then zoomed out.
Posted by apacheba
Member since Feb 2007
887 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 3:35 pm to
Drones can fly 2000+ miles.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37910 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 3:44 pm to
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I don't want to threadjack, but isn't this actually what didn't happen with the Army helicopter and American Airlines flight 5342 at Ronald Reagan airport Washington D.C.?


No, that accident was the opposite. The helicopter was flying directly through the final approach to land, not down the middle of the airport.
Posted by jmorr34
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
3543 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 3:56 pm to
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Drones can fly 2000+ miles.


A fixed-wing drone. Not one that can hover in place and report on an accident or crime scene.
Posted by Chopper 2
Member since Aug 2007
48 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 4:40 pm to
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Looks to me like the camera is panning out, they were probably flying towards the bus scene with it oriented on the left side and then zoomed out.

I think the aircraft was stationary on the scene at about 500'. When the aircraft started to yaw right, the photog zoomed out to keep the shot.

From the short video it looks like 3 possible scenarios...

1. Loss of tail rotor effectiveness, which would caused the aircraft to yaw right.
2. Engine failure, which would also cause the aircraft to yaw right and would produce the low rotor RPM audio.
3. Settling with power, which could also cause the aircraft to drop and yaw right.

In the first two scenarios, at 500' the pilot was in the dead man's curve (low altitude & airspeed), so it was very unlikely that he would have been able to recover. Especially, in a residential area.

As for the third, an aviator with his experience would have flown out of settling with power with relative ease.
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
6921 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 4:59 pm to
No way he lost TRE, would have spun like a top.

I saw he had a lot of hours, wonder if it’s all helicopter or mostly airline and just transitioned?
Posted by choppadocta
Louisiana
Member since May 2014
2653 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 5:12 pm to
From someone who's worked that aircraft before , the first horn the pulsating one is the engine out horn which happens when the engine falls below a certain percent Ng or compressor speed. The pilot muted that horn and as the aircraft started to descend he would pull up on the collective which would then cause the low rotor RPM horn to go off as he manipulates the collective control the RPM would raise and lower which is why the horn came on more than once. Considering how low and how stationary they were they really didn't have a whole lot of choices where to auto rotate and try to land. Once the power comes off the aircraft is going to try to spin around its own axis from the torque of the main rotor continuing to spin forward flight can arrest this happening so that's why I don't believe this was a tail rotor failure, you can definitely hear the engine / transmission spin down. They were in the height velocity curve a bad section of it called Dead Man's Curve which means if something happens when you are at this AirSpeed & altitude combo there is not much you can do about picking your place to land.
This post was edited on 9/16/26 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Chopper 2
Member since Aug 2007
48 posts
Posted on 9/16/26 at 5:15 pm to
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No way he lost TRE, would have spun like a top.


While I will tend to agree with you, the video is too short to actually confirm any kind of spin. The low rotor RPM is a better clue of engine failure.
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