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re: Matthew Naquin - LSU Phi Delt who killed pledge - Sentenced to 5 years in prison
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:34 am to Buryl
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:34 am to Buryl
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Criminal Negligence: Criminal negligence exists when, although neither specific nor general criminal intent is present, there is such disregard of the interests of others that the offender's conduct amounts to a gross deviation below the standard of care expected to be maintained by a reasonably careful man under like circumstances.
Translation: You acted like an a-hole and got someone killed. Yes, that is a crime.
And not a new one at that.
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Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:38 am to Chucktown_Badger
why don't fraternities simply put together some well lawyerly worded release/consent forms for everyone that joins these organizations?
yes, they still need to educate & work to prevent these "tragedies" from happening, but 18 is 18 in this country. Old enough to serve in the military but NOT old enough to say "no" to some booze...?
yes, they still need to educate & work to prevent these "tragedies" from happening, but 18 is 18 in this country. Old enough to serve in the military but NOT old enough to say "no" to some booze...?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:39 am to Tigear
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why don't fraternities simply put together some well lawyerly worded release/consent forms for everyone that joins these organizations?
yes, they still need to educate & work to prevent these "tragedies" from happening, but 18 is 18 in this country. Old enough to serve in the military but NOT old enough to say "no" to some booze...?
Doesn't matter and wouldn't matter. Some frat created consent form would be meaningless under the law.
It's a crime.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:40 am to SuperSaint
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Original comment
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:40 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:Laughable. In one you're encouraging someone to directly kill themself, in the other you're encouraging someone to get drunk. How many times has the defendant seen someone die from alcohol ingestion?
Not too much different than coercing someone to commit suicide
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:42 am to Cotten
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This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:42 am to Jake88
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Laughable. In one you're encouraging someone to directly kill themself, in the other you're encouraging someone to get drunk. How many times has the defendant seen someone die from alcohol ingestion?
1) Both involve coercion, 2) he had all the cues and knowledge available to know that this was not a healthy situation and could lead to injury or death (the guy who got convicted was an adult too)
Question for you...drug dealer distributes a shitload of fentanyl but says it's cocaine. 10 people snort it and die. Should the dealer just get charged with possession/distribution and nothing else?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:52 am to Chucktown_Badger
I'm not answering an unrelated hypothetical. In your previous statement you equated someone coercing someone to specifically kill themself to someone coercing someone to drink as part of a game. They are nowhere near the same.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:56 am to TigersSEC2010
I guarantee the first thing this dude was saying when this all went down was, “I wasn’t the only one.” Brotherhood at its finest 
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:06 pm to Jake88
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I'm not answering an unrelated hypothetical.
It's a highly relevant hypothetical (which has actually happened many times, I quoted one), as your response thus far has been "personal responsibility!!!". For those reasons they are very similar.
But I think I know why you won't answer.
quote:
They are nowhere near the same.
They are...in both the eyes of the law and the court. Both fall under "criminal negligence".
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:08 pm to tigersfirst
Someone should have stepped in to stop it for sure but everyone knows going in how frats are and I agree once you commit it's on you. Most everyone knows their limits by the time you get to college and should be able to make the right decisions.
His sentence is the whole legal situation he's endured to this point and will endure until all appeals are exhausted. He will serve a couple of months and his life has already been altered.
His sentence is the whole legal situation he's endured to this point and will endure until all appeals are exhausted. He will serve a couple of months and his life has already been altered.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:09 pm to TigersSEC2010
I guess Parish is going to need a new rep!
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:11 pm to SlickRickerz
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He’s definitely going to win that appeal. You can’t give the max penalty to a first time offender and expect that to stick
Unless there was some error by the judge, why would you expect an appeal to reduce the sentence?
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:12 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Sentenced to 5 years in prison
The war on frats (conservative white people) continues.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:13 pm to Chucktown_Badger
So everyone who encourages a drunk person to drink more is equivalent to someone goading a suicidal person to kill themself. I see.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:21 pm to SuperSaint
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personally got the same exact sentence from a judge for having a small amount of personal narcotics in my pocket.
Was that your first arrest though? I would imagine if you got arrested with of a couple of bars or roxys in your pocket and it was your first offense, you wouldn't get that much time.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:24 pm to geauxtigers456
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I understand he’s wrong 100% and deserves to be punished...
but they can force him to write an apology letter to Gruver’s parents? Whut?
Sounds like it’s part of a deal. Of course he can refuse to do the letter, but then he’d probably be forced to spend the full sentence in jail, as opposed to being on probation after a month in the clink.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:39 pm to Jake88
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So everyone who encourages a drunk person to drink more is equivalent to someone goading a suicidal person to kill themself. I see.
He didn’t just convince a drunk to drink more
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:47 pm to Tigahhs97
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Terrible what happen but 5 years is a lot.
He will not serve 5 years. And whether it is a lot or not is debatable.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:53 pm to TigersSEC2010
OP needs to add this so we don't have so much overreaction:
He wasn't sentenced to 5 years in jail
As someone noted, he will likely be eligible to get out relatively early for good behavior.
quote:
Judge Beau Higginbotham sentenced Naquin to the five-year maximum sentence, with two and a half years suspended. Naquin was also sentenced to three years of probation and 1,000 hours of community service work.
He wasn't sentenced to 5 years in jail
quote:
Naquin will go to prison on Nov. 20 and bond out. District Attorney Hillar Moore says Naquin will then return after a series of appeals, likely after more than a year. He will likely serve no more than 10 months, with a strong possibility for just 4-5 months, according to WAFB’s Matt Houston.
As someone noted, he will likely be eligible to get out relatively early for good behavior.
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