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re: Man dies in Destin after surgeon removes liver instead of spleen

Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:03 am to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:03 am to
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a lot different than putting a scalpel in the hands of a DO
Who cares?

If the MD and DO practiced in the same residency why does it matter?
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
7930 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:08 am to
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After the procedure, Shaknovsky told Beverly Bryan that the “spleen” was so diseased that it was four times bigger than usual and had “migrated” to the other side of Mr. Bryan’s body.


I know this is coming from the wife’s lawyer, but this is crazy. With the pre-op checks and determining issue to have incorrectly pushed surgery there instead of going home due to spleen possibly rupturing I would think multiple people including the doctor put hands on right side and/or had imaging of some sort beforehand.

This was also hand assist, so it’s not just misreading cameras and/or getting turned around having to look at images on screens. The surgeon has non-dominant hand inside the patient to help with the surgery on the spleen.

After all of this if doctor really labeled liver as spleen and made these comments to patient’s wife he had to have been high during surgery or is just retarded.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 10:49 am
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:09 am to
I work in the OR daily and it’s crazy to think something like this can even happen. With anesthesia at the head and roughly 1-2 people assisting at the bedside, it’s hard to believe that one of the 3 wouldn’t even question what he was doing. For those who have worked in surgery, the liver and the spleen are noticeably different organs in size and location. Albeit, they are somewhat close together and look similar, a non surgeon, trained in some other medical field would know the difference.
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:16 am to
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I’m not sure what the difference in the four year training prior to residency is but it can’t be easy!


My understanding of the difference is DO students study and learn alternative methods of treatment vs traditional medicine of treating everything with a pill.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
103937 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:18 am to
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My understanding of the difference is DO students study and learn alternative methods of treatment vs traditional medicine of treating everything with a pill.
right. Which I don’t see how that makes any difference for surgeons
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:20 am to
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Is there an award we can give?


The PPA is given for Perfect Posts.

I hereby nominate this for a Droppie
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
1232 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:35 am to
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this was not the first time Dr. Shaknovsky had mistakenly operated on the wrong part of a person’s body


Someone needs a human anatomy refresher...
Posted by Beauw
Blanchard
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:40 am to
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This thread de-livers.


Well done!

Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:42 am to
DEI Hire
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:47 am to
Hey Lonnie, I hope you never have the wrong organ removed. Only a motherfricking, inconsiderate, insecure a-hole would downvote a post asking for prayers and spend all day on an internet forum just waiting to downvote posts from one particular poster just b/c "reasons". That is some insecure shite.

Posted by Northshoretiger87
Member since Apr 2016
4850 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:49 am to
“After practicing general surgery for four years”

Probably needs some more years of practice.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
24327 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:50 am to
Was this the surgeon?

Posted by CBDTiger
NOLA
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:51 am to
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O-T Lounge

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Read four pages hoping there would be some kind of explanation


You new to these parts?
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:02 am to
I’m in the OR a lot too and I’m wondering if the patient could have had some type of weird anatomical abnormalities? Have seen some weird shite before, I guess it’s possible.

But still. Spleen and liver look very, very different.


Spleen


Liver

Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16600 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:04 am to
Was the guy drunk and/or high? I may not know much about surgery. But I do know there should be no reason for a doctor to fricking remove the wrong fricking body part.

Posted by VolunGator
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2020
1291 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:21 am to
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My daughter has 1 friend in med school and 2 in DO school. They're all working their asses off.

My husbands gp died … guy who took over his practice is a DO. We’ve been happy so far.

I’m not sure what the difference in the four year training prior to residency is but it can’t be easy!



MD and DO school are 4 years of memorizing the skeletal and vital systems of the human body and basic interface to prepare the student to comprehend what is learned in the residency that follows.

Where a physician completed medical school is less important than how he/she performed on the US Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE). But this is not a statistic that is accessible to Joe Blow.

What really matters is the Residency program.

The better DO schools typically rank in the lower 25 percentile of MD schools.

The average person does not possess the capacity to evaluate a physician, save for one's bedside manner and access to timely appointments.
Posted by DarlingClementine
Way west
Member since Sep 2023
162 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:23 am to
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—— was there not someone else there who could have spoken up when they started cutting on the wrong side of the body?——



That’s what I was wondering! Even if it was a "I’M THE SURGEON HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME" type,, if I was a nurse, anaesthesiologist , or anyone in the room, I would have had to pipe up with an "are you sure?", Even risking their ire. If there was anyone there who internally questioned it, but didn’t speak up, they’ve got a load of guilt to carry
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 9:39 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
82676 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:25 am to
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The average person does not possess the capacity to evaluate a physician, save for one's bedside manner and access to timely appointments.
Posted by AlextheBodacious
Member since Oct 2020
2448 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:29 am to
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My understanding of the difference is DO students study and learn alternative methods of treatment vs traditional medicine of treating everything with a pill.

Well I think a pill would’ve been way better than what this jabroni of a DO did.

Osteopathic schools are way more lax on admissions, that can lead to a doctor removing a liver thinking it’s a spleen.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
103937 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:48 am to
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Osteopathic schools are way more lax on admissions, that can lead to a doctor removing a liver thinking it’s a spleen.
Do you think he skipped the 3 years of general surgery residency?

The residency program is who should be under a spotlight right now, not the med school or DO school

This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 10:49 am
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