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Or join Scouting America (formerly Boy Scouts) and earn the Personal Management merit badge (required for Eagle rank). In my son's troop it was (and still is) taught by a retired Halliburton engineer who dabbles in investing and owns rental properties. Scouts often say it was their most useful merit badge. I certainly wish my wife and daughter had it!
Requirements (takes at least three months):
TL;DR - a hands-on course that produces young people who are able to manage their finances, budget their money and time, plan for the unexpected, and retire with a nest egg.
1. Do the following:
(a) Choose an item that your family might want to purchase that is considered a major expense.
(b) Write a plan that tells how your family would save money for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Discuss the plan with your counselor.
(2) Discuss the plan with your family.
(3) Discuss how other family needs must be considered in this plan.
(c) Develop a written shopping strategy for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Determine the quality of the item or service (using consumer publications or rating systems.)
(2) Comparison shop for the item. Find out where you can buy the item for the best price. (Provide prices from at least two different price sources.) Call around; study ads. Look for a sale or discount coupon. Consider alternatives. Can you buy the item used? Should you wait for a sale?
2. Do the following:
(a) Prepare a budget reflecting your expected income (allowance, gifts, wages), expenses, and savings for a period of 13 consecutive weeks.
(b) Compare expected income with expected expenses.
(1) If expenses exceed budget income, determine steps to balance your budget.
(2) If income exceeds budget expenses, state how you would use the excess money (new goal, savings).
(c) Track and record your actual income, expenses, and savings for 13 consecutive weeks (the same 13-week period for which you budgeted). (You may use the forms provided in the Personal Management merit badge pamphlet, devise your own, or use a computer-generated version). When complete, present the records showing the results to your counselor.
(d) Compare your budget with your actual income and expenses to understand when your budget worked and when it did not work. With your counselor, discuss what you might do differently the next time.
3. Discuss with your counselor FIVE of the following concepts:
(a) The emotions you feel when you receive money.
(b) Your understanding of how the amount of money you have with you affects your spending habits.
(c) Your thoughts when you buy something new and your thoughts about the same item three months later. Explain the concept of buyer's remorse.
(d) How hunger affects you when shopping for food items (snacks, groceries).
(e) Your experience of an item you have purchased after seeing or hearing advertisements for it. Did the item work as well as advertised?
(f) Your understanding of what happens when you put money into a savings account.
(g) Charitable giving. Explain its purpose and your thoughts about it.
(h) What you can do to better manage your money.
4. Explain the following to your counselor:
(a) The differences between saving and investing, including reasons for using one over the other.
(b) The concepts of return on investment and risk and how they are related.
(c) The concepts of simple interest and compound interest.
(d) The concept of diversification in investing.
(e) Why it is important to save and invest for retirement.
5. Explain to your counselor what the following investments are and how each works:
(a) Common stocks
(b) Mutual funds
(c) Life insurance
(d) A certificate of deposit (CD)
(e) A savings account
(f) A U.S. savings bond
6. Explain to your counselor why people might purchase the following types of insurance and how they work:
(a) Automobile
(b) Health
(c) Homeowner's/renter's
(d) Whole life and term life
7. Explain to your counselor the following:
(a) What a loan is, what interest is, and how the annual percentage rate (APR) measures the true cost of a loan
(b) The different ways to borrow money
(c) The differences between a charge card, debit card, and credit card, including the costs and pitfalls of using these financial tools, and why it is unwise to make only the minimum payment on your credit card
(d) Credit reports and how personal responsibility can affect your credit report
(e) Ways to reduce or eliminate debt.
8. Demonstrate to your counselor your understanding of time management by doing the following:
(a) Write a "to do" list of tasks or activities, such as homework assignments, chores, and personal projects, that must be done in the coming week. List these in order of importance to you.
(b) Make a seven-day calendar or schedule. Put in your set activities, such as school classes, sports practices or games, jobs or chores, and/or Scout or place of worship or club meetings, then plan when you will do all the tasks from your "to do" list between your set activities.
(c) Follow the one-week schedule you planned. Keep a daily diary or journal during each of the seven days of this week's activities, writing down when you completed each of the tasks on your "to do" list compared to when you scheduled them.
(d) With your counselor, review your "to do" list, one-week schedule, and diary/journal to understand when your schedule worked and when it did not work. Discuss what you might do differently the next time.
9. Prepare a written project plan demonstrating the steps below, including the desired outcome. This is a project on paper, not a real-life project. Examples could include planning a camping trip, developing a community service project or a school or religious event, or creating an annual patrol plan with additional activities not already included in the troop annual plan. Discuss your completed project plan with your counselor.
(a) Define the project. What is your goal?
(b) Develop a timeline for your project that shows the steps you must take from beginning to completion.
(c) Describe your project.
(d) Develop a list of resources. Identify how these resources will help you achieve your goal.
(e) Develop a budget for your project.
10. Do the following:
(a) Choose a career you might want to enter after high school or college graduation. Discuss with your counselor the needed qualifications, education, skills, and experience.
(b) Explain to your counselor what the associated costs might be to pursue this career, such as tuition, school or training supplies, and room and board. Explain how you could prepare for these costs and how you might make up for any shortfall.
Or join Scouting America (formerly Boy Scouts) and earn the Personal Management merit badge (required for Eagle rank). In my son's troop it was (and still is) taught by a retired Halliburton engineer who dabbles in investing and owns rental properties. Scouts often say it was their most useful merit badge. I certainly wish my wife and daughter had it!
Requirements (takes at least three months):
TL;DR - a hands-on course that produces young people who are able to manage their finances, budget their money and time, plan for the unexpected, and retire with a nest egg.
1. Do the following:
(a) Choose an item that your family might want to purchase that is considered a major expense.
(b) Write a plan that tells how your family would save money for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Discuss the plan with your counselor.
(2) Discuss the plan with your family.
(3) Discuss how other family needs must be considered in this plan.
(c) Develop a written shopping strategy for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Determine the quality of the item or service (using consumer publications or rating systems.)
(2) Comparison shop for the item. Find out where you can buy the item for the best price. (Provide prices from at least two different price sources.) Call around; study ads. Look for a sale or discount coupon. Consider alternatives. Can you buy the item used? Should you wait for a sale?
2. Do the following:
(a) Prepare a budget reflecting your expected income (allowance, gifts, wages), expenses, and savings for a period of 13 consecutive weeks.
(b) Compare expected income with expected expenses.
(1) If expenses exceed budget income, determine steps to balance your budget.
(2) If income exceeds budget expenses, state how you would use the excess money (new goal, savings).
(c) Track and record your actual income, expenses, and savings for 13 consecutive weeks (the same 13-week period for which you budgeted). (You may use the forms provided in the Personal Management merit badge pamphlet, devise your own, or use a computer-generated version). When complete, present the records showing the results to your counselor.
(d) Compare your budget with your actual income and expenses to understand when your budget worked and when it did not work. With your counselor, discuss what you might do differently the next time.
3. Discuss with your counselor FIVE of the following concepts:
(a) The emotions you feel when you receive money.
(b) Your understanding of how the amount of money you have with you affects your spending habits.
(c) Your thoughts when you buy something new and your thoughts about the same item three months later. Explain the concept of buyer's remorse.
(d) How hunger affects you when shopping for food items (snacks, groceries).
(e) Your experience of an item you have purchased after seeing or hearing advertisements for it. Did the item work as well as advertised?
(f) Your understanding of what happens when you put money into a savings account.
(g) Charitable giving. Explain its purpose and your thoughts about it.
(h) What you can do to better manage your money.
4. Explain the following to your counselor:
(a) The differences between saving and investing, including reasons for using one over the other.
(b) The concepts of return on investment and risk and how they are related.
(c) The concepts of simple interest and compound interest.
(d) The concept of diversification in investing.
(e) Why it is important to save and invest for retirement.
5. Explain to your counselor what the following investments are and how each works:
(a) Common stocks
(b) Mutual funds
(c) Life insurance
(d) A certificate of deposit (CD)
(e) A savings account
(f) A U.S. savings bond
6. Explain to your counselor why people might purchase the following types of insurance and how they work:
(a) Automobile
(b) Health
(c) Homeowner's/renter's
(d) Whole life and term life
7. Explain to your counselor the following:
(a) What a loan is, what interest is, and how the annual percentage rate (APR) measures the true cost of a loan
(b) The different ways to borrow money
(c) The differences between a charge card, debit card, and credit card, including the costs and pitfalls of using these financial tools, and why it is unwise to make only the minimum payment on your credit card
(d) Credit reports and how personal responsibility can affect your credit report
(e) Ways to reduce or eliminate debt.
8. Demonstrate to your counselor your understanding of time management by doing the following:
(a) Write a "to do" list of tasks or activities, such as homework assignments, chores, and personal projects, that must be done in the coming week. List these in order of importance to you.
(b) Make a seven-day calendar or schedule. Put in your set activities, such as school classes, sports practices or games, jobs or chores, and/or Scout or place of worship or club meetings, then plan when you will do all the tasks from your "to do" list between your set activities.
(c) Follow the one-week schedule you planned. Keep a daily diary or journal during each of the seven days of this week's activities, writing down when you completed each of the tasks on your "to do" list compared to when you scheduled them.
(d) With your counselor, review your "to do" list, one-week schedule, and diary/journal to understand when your schedule worked and when it did not work. Discuss what you might do differently the next time.
9. Prepare a written project plan demonstrating the steps below, including the desired outcome. This is a project on paper, not a real-life project. Examples could include planning a camping trip, developing a community service project or a school or religious event, or creating an annual patrol plan with additional activities not already included in the troop annual plan. Discuss your completed project plan with your counselor.
(a) Define the project. What is your goal?
(b) Develop a timeline for your project that shows the steps you must take from beginning to completion.
(c) Describe your project.
(d) Develop a list of resources. Identify how these resources will help you achieve your goal.
(e) Develop a budget for your project.
10. Do the following:
(a) Choose a career you might want to enter after high school or college graduation. Discuss with your counselor the needed qualifications, education, skills, and experience.
(b) Explain to your counselor what the associated costs might be to pursue this career, such as tuition, school or training supplies, and room and board. Explain how you could prepare for these costs and how you might make up for any shortfall.
re: Don Williams - Leaving Louisiana In The Broad Daylight
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/26/26 at 9:50 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Shovels and Rope do a good cover of that one. Going to see them open for The Lumineers @ Smoothie King tonight.
re: Artists/bands named "______ and the ______"
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/25/26 at 6:18 pm to DrewTheEngineer
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
The Head and the Heart
Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit
Steve Riley and the Mamou Playboys
Diana Ross and the Supremes
The Head and the Heart
Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit
Steve Riley and the Mamou Playboys
Diana Ross and the Supremes
quote:
Over the years I've been involved with various stages accidents including an accident with a bus (real accident) bit a number of people boarded after the accident
Recently a coworker accidentally turned left in front of a streetcar uptown and was hit on the fender. The streetcar operator warned him that one of the passengers was a frequent flyer who sometimes rides the streetcar all day hoping to be involved in an accident. After all, you can get seriously hurt in a 21-ton streetcar when it hits a 2-ton automobile at slow speed. Dunno if she's sued (or settled) yet.
Streetcar wreck? There's a law firm for that.
re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/12/26 at 5:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
No problem at all! I hadn't offered them the tix yet (just in case it didn't happen), and I'm glad you found a very worthy and appreciative recipient.
They just released the stage lineups and even though there are fewer "big" names this year, there will still be some tough decisions. Aiming to see the bold names and will need to pick and choose, but it looks super walkable and easy to stage-hop. Definitely want to see a show in the Saloon and Chapel at some point. We plan to be there when gates open at 11. I hear Willie doesn't come on until 10:00 or so.
World Headquarters Stage
Penelope Road
Joshua Ray Walker
Trampled by Turtles
St. Vincent
Lukas Nelson
Willie Nelson and Family
Robert’s Western World Barn Stage
Agalisiga “Chuj” Mackey
The Band Loula (Also will be at Hogs for the Cause)
BMI Writers in the Round
Julianna Rankin
Leon Majcen
Emma Ogier
Kaitlin Butts
Surprise Guest (Maybe Flatland Cavalry? - with Kaitlin's hubby)
Luck Family Jam
Band Leader: Carrie Rodriguez
Elizebeth “Beth” Goodfellow – Drums
Ellen Angelico – Guitar
Bonnie Whitmore – Bass
Emily Gimble – Piano
Erika Wennerstrom
Melissa Carper
Suzanna Choffel
Kam Franklin
Eve Ybarra
Tami Neilson
Lily Meola
Revival Stage
Los Juanos
Deloyd Elze
Susto Stringband
Fred Eaglesmith
Chuck Prophet and His Cumbia Shoes
Adrian Quesada’s Trio Asesino
Booker T. Jones
Saloon Stage
Tom Jenkins
Angela Autumn
Gail Swanson
Dylan LeBlanc
Hannah Cohen
Particle Kid and Daniel Lanois
Ghostland Observatory
Chapel Stage
Luna Roja
Frank Mastra
Folk Uke
Anna Tivel
Robert Lester Folsom
Alex Amen
Hudson Freeman
The Redbird Songwriters Showcase featuring:
Dallas Burrow
Willis Alan Ramsey
Dale Watson
Kelly Willis
James McMurtry
Visit Fort Worth Stage
.Marcel.
Cory Cross
Shelby Stone
Jack Barksdale
Jack Daniel’s Stage
Dylan Earl (Lake Charles native)
Blessing Jolie
Marley Hale
Candi Jenkis
They just released the stage lineups and even though there are fewer "big" names this year, there will still be some tough decisions. Aiming to see the bold names and will need to pick and choose, but it looks super walkable and easy to stage-hop. Definitely want to see a show in the Saloon and Chapel at some point. We plan to be there when gates open at 11. I hear Willie doesn't come on until 10:00 or so.
World Headquarters Stage
Penelope Road
Joshua Ray Walker
Trampled by Turtles
St. Vincent
Lukas Nelson
Willie Nelson and Family
Robert’s Western World Barn Stage
Agalisiga “Chuj” Mackey
The Band Loula (Also will be at Hogs for the Cause)
BMI Writers in the Round
Julianna Rankin
Leon Majcen
Emma Ogier
Kaitlin Butts
Surprise Guest (Maybe Flatland Cavalry? - with Kaitlin's hubby)
Luck Family Jam
Band Leader: Carrie Rodriguez
Elizebeth “Beth” Goodfellow – Drums
Ellen Angelico – Guitar
Bonnie Whitmore – Bass
Emily Gimble – Piano
Erika Wennerstrom
Melissa Carper
Suzanna Choffel
Kam Franklin
Eve Ybarra
Tami Neilson
Lily Meola
Revival Stage
Los Juanos
Deloyd Elze
Susto Stringband
Fred Eaglesmith
Chuck Prophet and His Cumbia Shoes
Adrian Quesada’s Trio Asesino
Booker T. Jones
Saloon Stage
Tom Jenkins
Angela Autumn
Gail Swanson
Dylan LeBlanc
Hannah Cohen
Particle Kid and Daniel Lanois
Ghostland Observatory
Chapel Stage
Luna Roja
Frank Mastra
Folk Uke
Anna Tivel
Robert Lester Folsom
Alex Amen
Hudson Freeman
The Redbird Songwriters Showcase featuring:
Dallas Burrow
Willis Alan Ramsey
Dale Watson
Kelly Willis
James McMurtry
Visit Fort Worth Stage
.Marcel.
Cory Cross
Shelby Stone
Jack Barksdale
Jack Daniel’s Stage
Dylan Earl (Lake Charles native)
Blessing Jolie
Marley Hale
Candi Jenkis
re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/11/26 at 12:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Post it and I'll snag it
Here you go-
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re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/11/26 at 9:16 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Could you maybe post some kind of burner email acct?
I wasn't able to get into the old account - I'll try to monitor this thread and once I see a response from you or that you're online, I'll post the email.
re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/10/26 at 8:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Could you maybe post some kind of burner email acct?
I'll see if I can get into an old at&t account that I haven't checked in years.
re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/10/26 at 7:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
That works for me!
Cool - there's no direct message feature here so maybe you can leave a message on my land line with your email or phone # (nobody answers the land line and I'm still at work). I'd rather temporarily post the number here than my email.
Thanks in advance, Big Scrub-
re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/10/26 at 4:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Are you in the Austin area or coming from afar (I'm far away)? What if I just got them into your hands and trusted you to be a good samaritan with them?
We're coming from afar (NOLA) but I could probably make something happen. We're meeting up in Austin with someone my son and I met through scouting, at Philmont Scout Ranch in NM. She's a recent grad and works for TX parks & wildlife somewhere near Austin as a park ranger - likely not making much. She'd probably be thrilled to go with a friend.
We got email links to tix yesterday, and it should be possible to send pdfs via email if you'd like to entrust them to us!
re: Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/10/26 at 3:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
Wife (no pics) and I are going for the first time this year.
We're not deserving but would be glad to take them off your hands if you still have them. I could send you what we get for selling our 2 GA tix plus some lagniappe. I'd likely sell for face with fees - about $400 total.
But it's quite noble if you want to give them to someone deserving. Willie would be proud!
We're not deserving but would be glad to take them off your hands if you still have them. I could send you what we get for selling our 2 GA tix plus some lagniappe. I'd likely sell for face with fees - about $400 total.
But it's quite noble if you want to give them to someone deserving. Willie would be proud!
re: BR AC Companies
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/10/26 at 12:24 pm to LSUbasketballfan
quote:
You can call River City's One Hour Air Conditioning and Heating. No matter what issue you are having they will suggest you replace anything in your house associated with the AC. If you don’t buy into their suggestions and already know exactly what you need, they’ll charge you 4x what other companies charge.
Follow the ownership. Sure enough, One Hour is owned by private equity. Gotta squeeze out every last penny from the end consumer.
quote:
Authority Brands, a residential services franchising platform in North America, today announced that British Columbia Investment Management Corporation (“BCI”), one of the largest institutional investors in Canada, has agreed to acquire a significant minority stake in the company, alongside funds advised by Apax Partners LLP (“Apax Funds”), which will retain majority ownership. Authority Brands is the premier home service franchisor in North America. Its family of home service franchise brands are leaders in their industry, providing homeowners with services from the property line to the roof line.
Authority Brands' companies include 12 leading home service franchisors: America's Swimming Pool Company, Benjamin Franklin Plumbing, The Cleaning Authority, Color World Painting, DoodyCalls, Homewatch CareGivers, Mister Sparky, Monster Tree Service, Mosquito Squad, One Hour Heating and Air Conditioning, STOP Restoration and Woofie’s. Together, these brands provide home services through approximately 860 franchise owners across North America.
Apax press release
re: What Cash for Clunkers did to the car market
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/8/26 at 11:45 am to boxcarbarney
Thanks for boiling my bile again - back in the day I followed a few of the mechanics forced to kill some sweet rides in that program.
Try finding a 90's BMW 530i V8 with 5-speed today.
"Close the trunk - give the car some respect." RIP
Try finding a 90's BMW 530i V8 with 5-speed today.
"Close the trunk - give the car some respect." RIP
re: Saks Fifth Avenue at New Orleans’ Canal Place since the 1980s, to close for good
Posted by CBDTiger on 3/6/26 at 11:02 pm to ChestRockwell
quote:
Let me know when a crane is erected.
From November. It's more erect now. New Shell Offshore headquarters.

quote:
Don't care. Could care less

quote:
Russian hookers
American expats called them Jumeirah Janes (Jumeirah is a section of Dubai where many Americans lived in the 70's-90's). Dad dressed like one for a Mardi Gras costume party at their place.
My folks were there almost 20 years. I was there for 4 years, in jr high thru 1984. Some wild parties - jr high kids wasted off their parents' liquor cabinets (westerners could buy alcohol). One company flew in 500lbs of live crawfish from LA for a crawfish boil.
It really was remarkably safe from crime and outside attacks. Many expats stayed through the Iranian hostage crisis, Iran-Iraq war, Gulf war, etc. Many extremists know better than to bite the hand that feeds them, as some rich Gulf Arabs are thought to fund them on the down low. But Arabs never liked the Persians/Iranians (they called the Persian Gulf the Arabian Gulf).
Virtually no one steals, as they would do real time if caught. My mom was once blocked in by someone who double parked near a shopping strip. When the lady finally came out she said "well I left the key!" - she expected someone to hop in and move her car if they needed to get out.
If you're with an oilfield service company or a local company, the pay was good but not great. And there was no retirement plan. After 20 years dad got an end of service "gratuity" of less than one year's salary. And since he wasn't paying into Social Security all those years, he doesn't get a full social security check.
re: NOPD: Armed group intercepted hours before Lundi Gras parades
Posted by CBDTiger on 2/26/26 at 2:56 pm to The Hurricane
quote:
I’m surprised there weren’t more issues reported between Jackson and the overpass.
Looks like they put extra resources into part of that stretch.
quote:
Supt. Anne Kirkpatrick said specialized units intercepted what she called bad actors along the route. One unit focused efforts on St. Charles Avenue between Calliope and Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.
Proactive policing in general - refreshing to see. Go Go Gadget Grannie!
quote:
Kirkpatrick said new tactics and additional training helped officers spot guns along the parade route. “A lot of time, bad actors who are not following the law who are not carrying a gun in a holster, say they tuck it into a pocket. That’s a negligent carry. Our officers have been trained to look for things that are violations of the law,” she said.
Kirkpatrick praised the help of state and federal agents, including the National Guard in the French Quarter. She said the Guard’s presence prompted someone to abandon a bag near Conti and Bourbon Street on Feb. 8 at 2 a.m. “We came across an abandoned backpack with a weapon and a drum magazine in it. We believe that was a direct result of the National Guard being present and them knowing they would be searched and abandoned it,” Kirkpatrick said.
Prior to Mardi Gras, the FBI conducted a three-week roundup of the city’s most violent offenders. Kirkpatrick said the FBI arrested 175 people before they could reach the parade route.
Fox 8
re: Nashville is getting a taste of what is coming to New York.
Posted by CBDTiger on 2/20/26 at 8:43 am to Night Vision
Nashville's problem is two-fold. Throngs of bachelorette parties and other drunk tourists spending $10 for a domestic beer. Bar owners are printing money, leading to record prices for real estate. Todd Graves paid $75 million for the Margaritaville building ($2,870/sf).
Second, the city doesn't lower the millage to bring in about the same amount of tax revenue, so record property values = record property taxes for the whole area, based on recent comps. Curious to see what happens to the few older, smaller clubs that maintain at least a semblance of authenticity - like Robert's, Layla's and Legend's. Looks like they'll be facing the same issues as Acme.
Todd Graves buys Maragaritaville for $75M
Second, the city doesn't lower the millage to bring in about the same amount of tax revenue, so record property values = record property taxes for the whole area, based on recent comps. Curious to see what happens to the few older, smaller clubs that maintain at least a semblance of authenticity - like Robert's, Layla's and Legend's. Looks like they'll be facing the same issues as Acme.
Todd Graves buys Maragaritaville for $75M
quote:
How would the world be different if Alexander the Great lived another 20-25 years?
Men would be thinking about the Macedonian Empire a lot.
Men think about the Roman Empire a lot
Mid-50's guy checking in. I can safely say that for more than half my life I hadn't even heard of the device that this "educator" so eagerly wants children to know how to use. And I don't think my failure to be educated about the subject as a minor it left me (or my peers) at any disadvantage in life.
These people make Jocelyn Elders seem quaint and old-fashioned.
1994 news blurb
These people make Jocelyn Elders seem quaint and old-fashioned.
quote:
America's chief doctor resigned last week after saying that masturbation could be an appropriate subject to teach schoolchildren.
1994 news blurb
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