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re: LSU Professor out of the classroom pending investigation

Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:32 am to
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:32 am to
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probably said 'things are going the right direction in washington'


Knowing him from my time their I can assure you this is not the case
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14749 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:32 am to
Seems like his TDS is acting up believing the 4-6 will be tested and reworked.. Arguing the potential pitfalls and strengths of each seem appropriate but I got a feeling it went way beyond discussing and debating..
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6553 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:40 am to
Public employee right to free speech is fairly clear. You can say anything you want on a matter of public concern during your own time. If you are in the course and scope of your employment, you don’t have the same right.
Posted by LordSnow
Your Mom's House
Member since May 2011
6076 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:49 am to
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You can say anything you want on a matter of public concern during your own time.


Sure. but there's nothing that protects you from the consequences of said speech. Especially if it ignites a firestorm of negative public opinion.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35622 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:50 am to
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Levy, a criminal law professor who began teaching at LSU’s Paul M. Hebert Law Center in 2009, also talked to students about major changes to Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendment case law that may lie ahead due to changing dynamics at the U.S. Supreme Court, Craft said. In that context, he revealed he was a Democrat and referred to President Donald Trump “in some colorful terms,” she said.


I have to imagine it was not just simply statements expressing a dislike of Trump (a view I suspect a large majority in academia share), but rather personal attacks on those who may support Trump and/or voted for him. It's one thing to say "I think Trump is an idiot". It's quite another if you tell your students, whose grades you control, that you think those among them who support/voted for Trump are idiots. That could be strong evidence of actual bias against the school's students, not simply just a personal dislike of the President.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156604 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:50 am to
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his attorney says it’s a violation of his First Amendment rights.

Well I assume he's not going to prison for what he said, just potentially losing his job.

How the frick is this related to the First Amendment?
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
3766 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:57 am to
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Knowing him from my time their I can assure you this is not the case

quote:

John McClane


I though you were a police officer?
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
3766 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:59 am to
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here's the thing.

i'm for free speech.

i think anyone who 'snitched' is a pussy regardless of whether they are Right or Left.


What if he said something along the lines of "If I found out you voted for Trump, you're going to have a hard time passing this class.."?

I doubt that's what was said, but there are some certain circumstances that should lead to "snitching'. He could have made comments that threatened the future of some law students who I'm sure are paying a frick ton of money to be there.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15277 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:26 am to
“I voted for Donald Trump.”

Today’s students are baby back bitches.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20102 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:38 am to
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ATON ROUGE - An LSU law school professor in trouble for political comments made during class, and his attorney says it’s a violation of his First Amendment rights. Professor Ken Levy is being investigated by the university, and for the time being, he’s out of the classroom.

The semester just started at LSU’s law school, and in a classroom of about 82 students, Levy was teaching a class about police and public interactions. His attorney Jill Craft says students took issue with his comments in the confines of teaching the First Amendment.

Craft says a student recorded the lecture and Levy’s now been removed for making political comments, though what those comments were is unclear



I dont understand why the students dont beat cuck professors asses after class.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
8670 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Professor Ken Levy


Something anti-Palestine?
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6086 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:55 am to
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I dont understand why the students dont beat cuck professors asses after class.


Because it's a law school and not a trailer park?
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4472 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:37 am to
Check out his most recent law review publication:
quote:

The First Amendment in Education: May Public Schools Discipline Faculty for Political Hate Speech?, 33 Wm. & Mary Bill Rts. J. 169-207 (Oct. 2024).

A touch of irony, eh?
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4472 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:40 am to
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First amendment rights do not extend to suffering consequences from exercising them.
If the consequences are imposed by the government, that is exactly what the First Amendment is designed to protect against.

quote:

can publicly spout anything about my employer. That is my right. If my employer deems my speaking to be detrimental to their mission, they can fire me. That is their right.
Unless your employer is the government, you are correct. The First Amendment, generally, does not apply to private organizations or entities - it only applies to the government.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10609 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:41 am to
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particular statements in support of Trumpism, an increasingly mainstream ideology that stitches together white supremacy, misogyny, a preference for autocracy over democracy, and several phobias—homophobia, Islamophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia. The question I address in this paper is whether these consequences are constitutional at public schools. Whose right is stronger—a public-school teacher’s First Amendment right to express pro-Trumpist sentiments or a public school’s right to maintain a fair, inclusive, and welcoming learning environment? In this article, I argue that the public school has the upper hand here, that it is indeed constitutionally permitted to prohibit political hate speech that contributes to a hostile learning environment.
Posted by Wabbit7
Member since Aug 2018
2288 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:54 am to
This story has been in the news for days now and still nobody knows what was said
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14789 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:10 pm to
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I bet ten bucks he used the verboten “n word” racial slur.


Far more likely he used the other "n" word (NAZI) and got called on it.
Posted by msap9020
Texas
Member since Feb 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:34 pm to
Examples of a few op-eds/essays he's penned:

Republicans Are the Worst
How to Combat Trumpism (Even After Trump Is Gone)
Is Trump Responsible for His Bad Behavior?
Letter: Kennedy Should Oppose Bush Nomination
Sorry, But It’s Entirely the Right’s Fault

All on his LSU profile.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63046 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:36 pm to
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i think anyone who 'snitched' is a pussy regardless of whether they are Right or Left.


If he offered an opinion, there’s no issue.

If he suggested or implied that anyone who disagreed with his political opinion would be treated unfairly, he deserves to lose his job.

Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
12230 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:45 pm to
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Just look at his LSU Profile




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