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re: Louisiana records nation's highest growth in reading after switching to a phonics based sy

Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by PGAOLDBawNeVaBroke
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:10 pm to
It’s more sinister. They want to apply the techniques to teach the bottom 10% of readers and apply those techniques (also for dyslexics) to the other 90% of readers.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:38 pm to
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There's a lot of people out there that have no understanding of math. As a CPA, it's exactly the way I think about number. The way our kids were taught before was not working. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong.


When I was in elementary and jr high I had a knack of solving math problems in my head but I didn't have the same thought process as was being taught so showing my work was an issue. I remember trying to explain how I manipulated numbers in my head to my mother (undergrad degrees in Chem and Math so it wasn't she couldn't "math good") and it never made any sense to her, in particular, it seemed unnecessarily complex to her. Life got easier for me in HS and college where there was no penalty for not showing my work as long as the answer was right and I never tried to explain my process to anyone else. I just figured I was on my own island and went about my way. When the fuss over common core came out I read some articles designed to teach teachers and it struck me that this is what I have always instinctively done. I think it is a process that if taught early enough is incredibly useful but to someone who learned the typical way it becomes like trying to explain it to my mother, it just seems stupid complex, and silly to them.

Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
1499 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:45 pm to
Pretty sure we learned by phonics. Why they’ve changed it all I’ll never know.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
2880 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:33 pm to
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Probably because are having two hour blocks of English/Language Arts/Reading everyday as opposed to the traditional one hour class. This is because of the devastating damage to our kids when we made them stay at home for school for most of a school year. Scores plummeted after that.


They've been double blocking ELA and Math in Primary schools (k-8) since 2012, in Louisiana at least .
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39466 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:13 pm to
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I have a 1st grader, so I imagine she is in the midst of this. I am impressed with how well she can read.

I taught all four of my kids to read before their fourth birthdays, and when I tell you it was easy I mean REALLY easy. It took about five minutes per night for about four weeks. After that they could read any simple word like “hat” or “rabbit”; they could red words with long vowels like “feat”; and they knew about five or six sight words like “a”, “the” and “was”. Basically reading on about a second grade level. Of course I used phonics like anyone with a brain would.
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
4603 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:19 pm to
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I think it is a process that if taught early enough is incredibly useful but to someone who learned the typical way it becomes like trying to explain it to my mother, it just seems stupid complex, and silly to them.

This is exactly what it is. I’ve done similar math in my head to what you’re talking about & that’s exactly how they’re teaching kids. I asked my kids teacher why they are over complicating this & she said the whole purpose was to teach kids how to do it in their heads. It definitely works, my kid can rattle off some answers pretty quickly just using mental math.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68346 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:28 pm to
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 The way our kids were taught before was not working
Math scores are declining while switching back to phonics is producing increases in literacy. So, which way doesn't work?
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:29 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23744 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:30 pm to
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Fourth grade reading scores rank No. 1 nationally for growth, and 11th up from 42nd in overall proficiency for economically disadvantaged students. The overall state ranking climbed from 42 to 46, highest nationally since 2003.

If this is true, it is a good start.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13368 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:41 pm to
there's actually a really good podcast that talks about the non-phonics version of learning and how it was promoted by one lady professor from New Zealand think.

Essentially over time it's been proven to been a load of junk but there's still alot of money to be made so it's been a struggle to re-implement phonics in reading curriculum because of lobbyists for the non-phonics group

Article discussing the podcast
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10313 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:23 pm to
The Science of Reading.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10313 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:25 pm to
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didn't see phonics mentioned in the article. Assuming you are correct and I have no basis to say you aren't being I'm ignorant on the subject, what was the process that was in place beforehand?
It was previously balanced reading. It’s not strictly phonics. It’s the science of reading which covers a lot of different pre-reading skills.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10313 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:32 pm to
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The way our kids were taught before was not working
So what’s so great and necessary about tape diagrams and number bonds for a quick addition calculation?
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28222 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:58 am to
My mom taught us to read using Dr. Suess books.

We were reading before 1st grade.

Not sure if it was phonics or what, but to this day, I avoid green eggs and ham...


Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
1990 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:52 am to
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You couldn't read in first grade?


Right? I remember reading in kindergarten.

Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
1990 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:57 am to
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This new math is retarded. Adding & subtracting 3+ digit numbers horizontally will never make sense to me.


I have no idea. I tell my kids to use their fingers.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260947 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:59 am to
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My mom taught us to read using Dr. Suess books.


Yep, my brother and I were reading long before were were 5

We went to the library twice a week and loaded up. No tv, just books and magazines.

Its the best way to raise a child, I didnt see it then. I am elated at the privilege my parents gave me, now.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37139 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:08 am to
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So what’s so great and necessary about tape diagrams and number bonds for a quick addition calculation?


EurekaMath at the lower grades takes longer to learn. But as the kids age, it makes complicated math topics easier to learn.

It’s about the long game here
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9937 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:41 am to
They should focus on some commonly mispronounced words: Skrimps, Skreet, mine's, ...the list is long.
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