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re: Louisiana records nation's highest growth in reading after switching to a phonics based sy
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
It’s more sinister. They want to apply the techniques to teach the bottom 10% of readers and apply those techniques (also for dyslexics) to the other 90% of readers.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:38 pm to LaLadyinTx
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There's a lot of people out there that have no understanding of math. As a CPA, it's exactly the way I think about number. The way our kids were taught before was not working. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong.
When I was in elementary and jr high I had a knack of solving math problems in my head but I didn't have the same thought process as was being taught so showing my work was an issue. I remember trying to explain how I manipulated numbers in my head to my mother (undergrad degrees in Chem and Math so it wasn't she couldn't "math good") and it never made any sense to her, in particular, it seemed unnecessarily complex to her. Life got easier for me in HS and college where there was no penalty for not showing my work as long as the answer was right and I never tried to explain my process to anyone else. I just figured I was on my own island and went about my way. When the fuss over common core came out I read some articles designed to teach teachers and it struck me that this is what I have always instinctively done. I think it is a process that if taught early enough is incredibly useful but to someone who learned the typical way it becomes like trying to explain it to my mother, it just seems stupid complex, and silly to them.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:45 pm to Limitlesstigers
Pretty sure we learned by phonics. Why they’ve changed it all I’ll never know.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:33 pm to TigerDeacon
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This post was edited on 5/5/25 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:13 pm to Witty_Username
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I have a 1st grader, so I imagine she is in the midst of this. I am impressed with how well she can read.
I taught all four of my kids to read before their fourth birthdays, and when I tell you it was easy I mean REALLY easy. It took about five minutes per night for about four weeks. After that they could read any simple word like “hat” or “rabbit”; they could red words with long vowels like “feat”; and they knew about five or six sight words like “a”, “the” and “was”. Basically reading on about a second grade level. Of course I used phonics like anyone with a brain would.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:19 pm to Obtuse1
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I think it is a process that if taught early enough is incredibly useful but to someone who learned the typical way it becomes like trying to explain it to my mother, it just seems stupid complex, and silly to them.
This is exactly what it is. I’ve done similar math in my head to what you’re talking about & that’s exactly how they’re teaching kids. I asked my kids teacher why they are over complicating this & she said the whole purpose was to teach kids how to do it in their heads. It definitely works, my kid can rattle off some answers pretty quickly just using mental math.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:28 pm to LaLadyinTx
quote:Math scores are declining while switching back to phonics is producing increases in literacy. So, which way doesn't work?
The way our kids were taught before was not working
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:30 pm to Limitlesstigers
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Fourth grade reading scores rank No. 1 nationally for growth, and 11th up from 42nd in overall proficiency for economically disadvantaged students. The overall state ranking climbed from 42 to 46, highest nationally since 2003.
If this is true, it is a good start.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:41 pm to TBoy
there's actually a really good podcast that talks about the non-phonics version of learning and how it was promoted by one lady professor from New Zealand think.
Essentially over time it's been proven to been a load of junk but there's still alot of money to be made so it's been a struggle to re-implement phonics in reading curriculum because of lobbyists for the non-phonics group
Article discussing the podcast
Essentially over time it's been proven to been a load of junk but there's still alot of money to be made so it's been a struggle to re-implement phonics in reading curriculum because of lobbyists for the non-phonics group
Article discussing the podcast
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:23 pm to Limitlesstigers
The Science of Reading.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:25 pm to facher08
quote:It was previously balanced reading. It’s not strictly phonics. It’s the science of reading which covers a lot of different pre-reading skills.
didn't see phonics mentioned in the article. Assuming you are correct and I have no basis to say you aren't being I'm ignorant on the subject, what was the process that was in place beforehand?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:32 pm to LaLadyinTx
quote:So what’s so great and necessary about tape diagrams and number bonds for a quick addition calculation?
The way our kids were taught before was not working
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:58 am to Dixie2023
My mom taught us to read using Dr. Suess books.
We were reading before 1st grade.
Not sure if it was phonics or what, but to this day, I avoid green eggs and ham...
We were reading before 1st grade.
Not sure if it was phonics or what, but to this day, I avoid green eggs and ham...
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:52 am to JJ27
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You couldn't read in first grade?
Right? I remember reading in kindergarten.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:57 am to tigafan4life
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This new math is retarded. Adding & subtracting 3+ digit numbers horizontally will never make sense to me.
I have no idea. I tell my kids to use their fingers.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:59 am to N2cars
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My mom taught us to read using Dr. Suess books.
Yep, my brother and I were reading long before were were 5
We went to the library twice a week and loaded up. No tv, just books and magazines.
Its the best way to raise a child, I didnt see it then. I am elated at the privilege my parents gave me, now.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:08 am to tigergirl10
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So what’s so great and necessary about tape diagrams and number bonds for a quick addition calculation?
EurekaMath at the lower grades takes longer to learn. But as the kids age, it makes complicated math topics easier to learn.
It’s about the long game here
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:41 am to Y.A. Tittle
They should focus on some commonly mispronounced words: Skrimps, Skreet, mine's, ...the list is long.
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