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re: Liberty Safes is going the way of Bud Light on Twitter. Update: Liberty has responded
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:55 am to UASports23
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:55 am to UASports23
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Im not gonna bitch and moan about a company following a court order.
That's the point here; they weren't following a court order and they were not obliged by law to divulge the information. They freely offered up private information from a court order directed at one of their customers, not them.
The premise is a backdoor is a utility to a customer, not an interested third party.
If the Feds wanted the information they should have produced a warrant to Liberty and then dealt with their legal representation.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:57 am to Klark Kent
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damn. so this guy and his wife (who just had a miscarriage) must be like enemy #1 for the alphabet agencies, huh?
Like a more nefarious Lex Luthor.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:57 am to boxcarbarney
If they have the ability to open the safe and the Feds have a warrant "could" they be charged with obstruction if they refused to comply ?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:58 am to boxcarbarney
Case in point didn't they just give one guy 22 years for voicing his opinion that voter fraud was committed, even though he wasn't even there? I can remember the same people cheering these on celebrating a president for even looking at impropriety of his predecessor and his VP because it was 'political collusion'. Just a reminder this is the second time in the last decade that a political party has sent federal agencies after their political rivals. Remember how Obama and the IRS treated those who could be linked in any way to the Tea Party?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:58 am to boxcarbarney
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raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes
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Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search.
So another political prisoner of the regime, arrested by by the Party Secret Police.
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The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too.
One of the hallmarks of Fascism is government control and influence on private business.
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All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.
Totalitarian regimes do not tolerate political dissent.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:59 am to SloaneRanger
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Meh, the Feds are getting in that safe with or without cooperation from Liberty.
It sounds like that being the case, Liberty should have fought a little bit more. Now they're beyond fricked, which is always ALWAYS hilarious to watch a company crumble and spectacularly spiral into an imminent collapse after they frick around. They'll try to rebrand and do some other crawfishing for awhile which will just add to the entertainment.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:00 am to The Torch
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If they have the ability to open the safe and the Feds have a warrant "could" they be charged with obstruction if they refused to comply ?
That's my question. As someone else has mentioned, none of us have seen the warrant. But Liberty's response did not say "We were issued a warrant." Just that they have a policy of complying with a warrant if it grants law enforcement access to property. Which reads like they were not served a warrant themselves.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:04 am to SloaneRanger
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the Feds are getting in that safe with or without cooperation from Liberty.
So. who is the actual owner of that safe? If its the homeowner, then the warrant doesnt apply to Liberty.
If Liberty can unlock it depending on how they woke up that morning, then why did I give them a shitload of money to not protect MY valuables?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:06 am to boxcarbarney
From another website:
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19 hr. ago
I used to work as a locksmith and once called a safe manufacturer for the bypass code on a digital lock to open a safe for a customer. This was about 25-30 years ago. Very little verification was needed and the bypass code worked. I decided that day I would never use a digital lock for anything that would cause me a financial hardship if it was stolen. There is always a weakness but the ability to walk in with an unchangeable back door code was a no for me. I have no idea if they still work that way now. Mechanical locks will still require manipulation or good old fashion drilling/cutting which will take time.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:06 am to The Torch
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If they have the ability to open the safe and the Feds have a warrant "could" they be charged with obstruction if they refused to comply ?
If the feds have a warrant directing Liberty to give them the code, then yes. That said, a warrant like that would be nearly impossible to get, because you would have to prove that Liberty was somehow complicit with the alleged crimes of their customer; which is a giant stretch.
In this case, unless the information is inaccurate, they offered up the codes without having a warrant directed at them for the information.
Apple is the perfect recent example. The FBI compelled them to give out information to unlock the phone of a shooter, they denied the FBI that private information.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:06 am to Corinthians420
quote:. That is most likely already a Felony.
scratch off the serial number so the manufacturer can't tell
Can’t be putting any Ghost guns in a Ghost safe now. Too hard for the State to falsify stuff while actually acting tyrannical.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:06 am to boxcarbarney
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Which begs the question: why does Liberty have backdoor access to customer's safes?
This is an easy one. Because dumb asses forget their combination.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:08 am to BeepNode
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You saying we shouldn't give police a backdoor to protect our children?
People with this attitude never cease to amaze me. When a boot is on your neck, maybe you'll finally achieve complete understanding.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:11 am to Y.A. Tittle
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At least, make them issue a warrant TO Liberty Safe.
Exactly. Abuse of 4A really pisses me off and always has. Happens 100s if not thousands of times per day in America and we by and large take it en masse.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:19 am to Ash Williams
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Damn
And Apple wouldnt even help unlock the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone
Excellent point. Why didn't the FBI in the first place issue a warrant to Apple to unlock that one phone?
I'm surprised the FBI didn't ask Liberty Gun Safes to make a master code or master key that could open their safes.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:20 am to boxcarbarney
Any safe is a target.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:21 am to schexyoung
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Option A - Liberty Safe doesn’t provide master code. FEDs still open safe but destroy it in process.
Option B - Liberty Safe provides code under warrant. FEDs open safe and keep it intact and valuable for owner.
Am I way off?
That would make a great commercial.
"I sleep like a baby every night in prison knowing my wife and her boyfriend's possessions continue to be locked away like me. Thanks Liberty Safe."
or
"My heart might be broken and my life shattered, but hey, at least my Liberty Safe is intact."
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:24 am to BeepNode
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If you have nothing to hide..
What if there's child porn in there? You saying we shouldn't give police a backdoor to protect our children?
Holy whataboutism!
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:26 am to illuminatic
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:27 am to Kino74
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Excellent point. Why didn't the FBI in the first place issue a warrant to Apple to unlock that one phone?
Warrants are based on a crime that has been committed or more accurately, probable cause of a crime. Also, that the party named in the warrant committed the crime.
What crime would Apple have committed here for them to acquire a warrant? Same goes for Liberty here.
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