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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:35 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:35 am to StormyMcMan
Biden could turn around and start supporting Russia, and stidham and his type would immediately start singing the praises of Ukrainian might.
It has nothing to do with Ukraine to him. He only cares about being on the other side of Biden, no matter what.
It has nothing to do with Ukraine to him. He only cares about being on the other side of Biden, no matter what.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:37 am to cypher
quote:
Statement by the Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov.
Ukraine entering difficult phase of war, foreign weapons to provide advantage only after some time.
Ukraine is entering a new long-term phase of the war after Russia suffered a strategic defeat by May 9 and reduced the scale of its goals to the operational-tactical level, Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov has said.
At the same time, I want to note the following. We are facing extremely difficult weeks. No one can say for sure how many there will be.
There we go again saying Ukraine is dominating
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:48 am to Centinel
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Biden could turn around and start supporting Russia, and stidham and his type would immediately start singing the praises of Ukrainian might. It has nothing to do with Ukraine to him. He only cares about being on the other side of Biden, no matter what.
I thought we weren’t going to bring politics into this?
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:49 am to DabosDynasty
A rather long read on how river crossing operations should work, and the importance of doing it the right way.
Russia didn't do it the right way and they were slaughtered.
Sorry for the janky formatting and no link, as this was from a shared facebook post from Doctrine Man if any of you are familiar with him.
Russia didn't do it the right way and they were slaughtered.
Sorry for the janky formatting and no link, as this was from a shared facebook post from Doctrine Man if any of you are familiar with him.
quote:
As we have previously written about, the Russian Army has attempted several river crossing operations recently. This kind of operation is also known as Gap Crossings.
Recently, they took significant losses at one near Severodonetsk. Upon initial reports and assessments, several critical shortcomings were identified.
But first, we need a quick background on this kind of operation. Gap Crossing Operations are a combined arms operation, designed to project combat power across an obstacle, in this case a body of water.
The obstacle is a natural one and it is creates crossing points in or all of the immediate area of operations.
Gap or river crossings, under combat conditions, usually require detailed planning and dedicated combat support, such as reconnaissance, air defense [localized] and Indirect Fires support, hence why it is undertaken by combined arms formations.
Critical to execution of this kind of operation, is the dedication of ground reconnaissance and the application of the basic tenants known by its term, #SOSRA.
A unit must have and employ ground based recon assets, and once done so, significant factors become known, prior to execution of a Gap crossing.
These include knowledge about the terrain, the conditions on the river banks, the soils ability to handle added weight along the banks, the location of enemy forces defending or observing potential crossing sites, etc. These are critical to any success.
Further, reconnaissance aids crossing by preparing entry and exit routes, completing water gap assessments like spotting underwater obstacles and or reducing any obstacles found and by providing protection for crossing equipment like bridging and or rafts, and the very hallmark of providing protection to any assigned engineering support units if desired or applicable.
Crossing fundamentals include surprise, detailed preparation and flexible planning, formation traffic control, organization, and it must be done fast.
Most importantly, all of this requires the basic skills of the application known as SOSRA when attempting to conduct this kind of operation.
SOSRA is a fundamental basic taught in professional militaries and is drilled at the very basic level of combat units. It is equally important and second nature.
The acronym stands for
Suppression, Obscuration, Secure, Reduction and finally, Assault.
Upon reaching a designated area prior to attempting a gap crossing, the unit should already have in place their ground reconnaissance, answering any and all questions and observing the area, the sites to attempt crossing at, specifically the immediate area past and beyond the planned crossing site.
At this time, the unit will conduct suppressing operations via an Attack by Fire position against any enemy forces opposite to them or in the immediate suspected area.
Once Direct Fire superiority is achieved, the unit must conduct obscuration of their efforts and the area suspected of being observed, as this will deny visual and potentially, some other* forms of contact, thus making observation for the enemy more difficult, complicating the enemy's targeting process and cycle.
After this, security is established at the near side of the gap crossing, and is subject to the Direct fire ranges of the respective weapon system found and used.
Once these conditions are met, any reductions or emplacements are made. Once thes conditions are set and established, then the actual assault and crossing commences. Upon crossing, the next step is establishing far side local security first, as this allows the main body to cross.
In this particular case, none of these steps were taken nor were followed, thus the conditions were set for failure.
The results speak for themselves.
-Mel Daniels.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:59 am to cypher
That defense minister of Ukraine sounds more delusional than this board with his propaganda. “In the long term the defeat of Russia is inevitable.”
They’re really trying to rally the troops as they’re getting smoked out in Donbas.
They’re really trying to rally the troops as they’re getting smoked out in Donbas.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:01 am to Stidham8
You yourself said this would be a 2 year war. Strap in, baw.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:03 am to TigerDoc
quote:
You yourself said this would be a 2 year war. Strap in, baw.
Could be. But let’s call a spade a spade, they’re losing territory on the major front of the war. Russia’s defeat certainly isn’t inevitable. Quite the opposite.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:05 am to Stidham8
Think how much joy you'll get when Russia rolls into Kiev. 
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:10 am to Stidham8
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They’re really trying to rally the troops as they’re getting smoked out in Donbas.
And the Russians should be doing the same in Northern Ukraine where they were run out.
In the Dough the Russians were successful initially, but still add fighting to take that steel plant in Mariupol.
In the East they have slowly been moving westward.
In the north the Russians were thrown back and are being run out of the Ukraine.
If this were a football game, I would have the Russians ahead by less than a TD, but considering they were a five TD favorite or more, if I were on their side I would be worried.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:23 am to Centinel
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how river crossing operations should work
I was with an engineer brigade and we went out and watched our bridge company do their thing, absolutely incredible to watch and loaded tactical vehicles were going across in no time.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:24 am to TigerDoc
Guy I follow (malcontent news) just explained something that is hilariously appalling regarding the structure and makeup of the Russian BTG's
TikTok.
Says 70% are regular army, 30% conscript
Conscripts are supposed to be "in the rear with the gear" logistics types but due to war, they are being pressed into action.
Conscripts are poorly paid and all troops have their salaries skimmed by their commanders.
Commanders are incentized to report their BTG's are at 100% strength because that means their payroll disbursement is higher (more to skim). They are further incentized NOT to pick up the KIA's because they would be forced to admit losses that result in lower skims.
There are cases where commanders are reporting 100% strength keeping the entire pay of the KIA's for BTG's that are only 30% combat effective.
The General staff then make plans to utilize that BTG only to find out very late that they are not available.
TikTok.
Says 70% are regular army, 30% conscript
Conscripts are supposed to be "in the rear with the gear" logistics types but due to war, they are being pressed into action.
Conscripts are poorly paid and all troops have their salaries skimmed by their commanders.
Commanders are incentized to report their BTG's are at 100% strength because that means their payroll disbursement is higher (more to skim). They are further incentized NOT to pick up the KIA's because they would be forced to admit losses that result in lower skims.
There are cases where commanders are reporting 100% strength keeping the entire pay of the KIA's for BTG's that are only 30% combat effective.
The General staff then make plans to utilize that BTG only to find out very late that they are not available.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:27 am to doubleb
quote:
If this were a football game, I would have the Russians ahead by less than a TD, but considering they were a five TD favorite or more, if I were on their side I would be worried.
Can't believe you would say Ukraine is dominating this game!
But in all seriousness, that is actually a great analogy.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:31 am to Tigeralum2008
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They are further incentized NOT to pick up the KIA's because they would be forced to admit losses that result in lower skims.
These stories (which I honestly believed were one off kind of things) suddenly make much more sense.
Russian dead dumped in piles ‘as tall as a man’ to hide true tally: Ukraine officials
Al Jazeera English has reported on refrigerated trains filled with the bodies of Russian servicemen killed during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:38 am to Tigeralum2008
The on-paper advantages for Russia at the outset of this war were immense, but Russia's corruption is one of the things keeping Ukraine in the game.
By the way, for all the IC's general success on Russian intentions, they have egg on their faces with regard to assessing the relative strengths of these militaries (not sure how much of it was overestimating the Russians and how much underestimating the Ukies). Whichever way, it likely led us to under-support Ukraine and had we assessed this better we might've gotten more help to them sooner.
By the way, for all the IC's general success on Russian intentions, they have egg on their faces with regard to assessing the relative strengths of these militaries (not sure how much of it was overestimating the Russians and how much underestimating the Ukies). Whichever way, it likely led us to under-support Ukraine and had we assessed this better we might've gotten more help to them sooner.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:53 am to Centinel
I wonder if technological advancements will cause this to be modified. Drones and long range artillery fires make the whole effort to cross much more dangerous. Local control on the ground isn’t as safe as it used to be.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:58 am to Stidham8
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That defense minister of Ukraine sounds more delusional than this board with his propaganda. “In the long term the defeat of Russia is inevitable.”
1. It seems less likely Russia will win the more this goes on.
2. What exactly would you want the defense minister to say if he were yours?
I suppose you similarly think this speech from FDR was delusional and not effective?
quote:
No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us. Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger. With confidence in our armed forces—with the unbounding determination of our people—we will gain the inevitable triumph—so help us God. I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire.[1]
How’d it work out for us after that?
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:00 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
The on-paper advantages for Russia at the outset of this war were immense, but Russia's corruption is one of the things keeping Ukraine in the game.
That soft strength of schedule caught up to them
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:07 pm to DabosDynasty
That's what happens when you schedule Centinel too often (sorry, couldn't resist) 
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:18 pm to ned nederlander
quote:NATO's response to something so laughingly transparent:
If Kherson becomes Russia through a sham referendum and Ukraine launches a counter offensive into Kherson, Putin can tell his people and the world it is now Russia that is being invaded. Maybe that opens up a new box of weapons Putin is willing to use, or at least threaten to use to get the west to stop bankrolling the conflict.

Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:22 pm to DabosDynasty
quote:
That soft strength of schedule caught up to them
They were caught looking ahead to Poland.
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