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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:52 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:52 am to Tigeralum2008
There were apparently multiple crossing points on the River.
The Ukrainians say they have failed to stop the Russians from crossing, and Lysychansk is in danger of being surrounded.
The Ukrainians say they have failed to stop the Russians from crossing, and Lysychansk is in danger of being surrounded.
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:54 am to Lima Whiskey
Where are you seeing this Lima? I'd like to read and follow the source.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:02 am to Jim Rockford
This may be about the most neutral English Language live blog of the major headlines:
Times of India Live Blog
India isn't really picking sides.
Times of India Live Blog
India isn't really picking sides.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:10 am to Lima Whiskey
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The Ukrainians say they have failed to stop the Russians from crossing, and Lysychansk is in danger of being surrounded
Not saying you're wrong, but isn't this the same town that's been in danger of being surrounded for weeks now?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:10 am to AU86
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Lauri Törni (later Larry Thorne) is smiling down from Heaven.
What an absolute stud.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:15 am to StormyMcMan
Don't think it's related to the bridge crossing as you put it
LINK
LINK
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With the capture of #Rubizhne and Vojevodivka, #Russian troops can now begin shelling & probing #Severodonetsk and the #Ukrainian troops setting up defenses inside. #Russia has almost surrounded the city on 3 sides with the 4th side against the Donets River seen in the map below.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:12 am to BRIllini07
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This may be about the most neutral English Language live blog of the major headlines:
Times of India Live Blog
India isn't really picking sides.
It's worth keeping in mind that the policies of a country do not necessarily equal the integrity of the journalism.
Times of India has a venerable history, but it's also not a widely respected newspaper in recent years. About a decade or so ago, they started creating "private treaties" with companies where they would publish nothing but positive news about a specific company in exchange for recurring payments. There have been multiple times when people have died, and Times of India is the only newspaper that refused to publish the name of the responsible company due to one of these "private treaties."
So I would gently encourage you to look a little more skeptically at foreign language newspapers, especially in a country with an autocrat-lite ruler like Modi. Press freedoms in India have been severely curtailed in recent years.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:30 am to MikeyFL
Some funny tweets from the Russian UK embassy
The West clearly ignore the sovereign equality of states unlike Russia which invades them
LINK
Ukraine can't export because they mined the ports, not because Russia invaded them
LINK
The West clearly ignore the sovereign equality of states unlike Russia which invades them
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FM #Lavrov: Completion of #specialmilitaryoperation will help stop West’s attempts to undermine intl law, ignore & grossly violate UN Charter principles, incl of sovereign equality of states, and make the West stop promoting idea of “unipolar world” dominated by US & its allies.
LINK
Ukraine can't export because they mined the ports, not because Russia invaded them
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More blatant disinformation from our US colleagues. They perfectly know that the Ukrainian ports are mined by Kiev and our offers of humanitarian sea passages were repeatedly rejected. And don’t trigger famine in #Ukraine by depriving it of grain-don’t tell us we didn’t warn you!
LINK
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:41 am to Tiger in Austin
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The Russians Lost Nearly An Entire Battalion Trying To Cross A River In Eastern Ukraine
Already reported, but the DailyMail link below has some good pictures.
Putin's latest battlefield humiliation: Ukraine thwarts Russian battalion's river-crossing and destroys at least 58 vehicles inflicting heavy casualties as Donbas offensive stalls and Kyiv's troops counter-attack
Putin's latest battlefield humiliation
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:22 am to cypher
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Already reported, but the DailyMail link below has some good pictures.
Putin's latest battlefield humiliation: Ukraine thwarts Russian battalion's river-crossing and destroys at least 58 vehicles inflicting heavy casualties as Donbas offensive stalls and Kyiv's troops counter-attack
Putin's latest battlefield humiliation
I'm reading at least 500 russian dead and maybe as many as 1500
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:34 am to Chromdome35
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Where are you seeing this Lima? I'd like to read and follow the source.
I would too. Ukrainian intelligence volunteers are claiming the Russians tried the Siverskyi Donets river near Bilohorivka again today and again repelled.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:49 am to cypher
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Already reported, but the DailyMail link below has some good pictures.
Putin's latest battlefield humiliation: Ukraine thwarts Russian battalion's river-crossing and destroys at least 58 vehicles inflicting heavy casualties as Donbas offensive stalls and Kyiv's troops counter-attack
It’s the airfields all over again but looks worse. Can’t do it the first time? Frick it well double down and lose more men and equipment.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:07 pm to Pfft
quote:Nothing like an appeal to dead soldiers when you're struggling to make a point. Scumbag.
23 dead American kids families still ask why their sons had to die.
But I guess you did not lose any family member in that conflict so no skin off your back.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:41 pm to northshorebamaman
Especially considering there are multiple vets participating in this thread.
We maaaaaay just have an idea of what's at stake.
We maaaaaay just have an idea of what's at stake.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:15 pm to northshorebamaman
I am a scumbag for caring about our service men dying, frick off bitch.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 2:10 pm to Pfft
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I am a scumbag for caring about our service men dying, frick off bitch.
You are a scumbag because you are using them as a pawn in a political argument when you know nothing about them or their families.
You didn't watch them die, you didn't write a letter to their parents and you haven't broken bread with their families.
They were young but they weren't kids, they were professional military men that made the choice to be in high speed low drag units that were always going to be the tip of the spear. Calling them kids diminishes what they were.
You can argue about the geopolitical and strategic choices that were made but keep the soldier's, SEAL's and the marine's and their families names out of your damn mouth. They aren't pawn's for your internet points.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 2:59 pm to Obtuse1
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Obtuse1
Posted on 5/12/22 at 3:04 pm to magildachunks
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Look what we did in Japan after WW2. We have a history of being successful at Nation Building. The problem is this: the only time we were successful at it, it was because the enemy surrendered unconditionally. Japan was the last enemy to do that. Maybe we should re-examine the concept of forcing the enemy to Unconditional Surrender before we shift our focus towards occupation and re-building.
We really do not have a track record of success. Japan and Germany were both already successful civilizations with advanced culture and organization. For all intents and purposes, Iraq and Afghanistan had the same complete governmental submission and turnover to American puppets as the former. The difference in outcome has no correlation to the meaningful deposing of the hostile actors and installation of our preferred actors.
In both Iraq and Afghanistan, and South Vietnam for that matter, like in post WWII occupied Japan and Germany, we removed the governments we opposed and installed governments we liked. Afghanistan, Iraq, and South Vietnam experienced ferocious insurgencies and Japan and Germany did not. Germany and Japan’s cultural and institutional structures were far more aligned with our own than those Middle Eastern nations.
Reasonable predictors of success would include not just firm grip on state power, which of course is a necessary precursor, but more significant for such comparative case studies would be compatibility with a stable societal transition to new institutional and cultural structures/norms necessary for a liberal, democratic state. Liberal democracies are extremely precarious and require a tremendous deal of social cohesion and adherence to universal principles in order to maintain stability and institutional integrity.
Nation building is an extremely risky and expensive proposition and is often as likely to create a worse political situation than a better one.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 3:13 pm to ChewyDante
Posted on 5/12/22 at 3:25 pm to Eurocat
Another Russian ship has "caught fire" near Snake Island and is being towed to Sevastopol.
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