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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:24 am to cypher
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:24 am to cypher
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First group of Ukrainians finished training on May 8
First group of M113 grads and second round M777 grads as well. Two weeks seems about right to start seeing a difference.
I look for the Russians to unconditionally surrender as soon as the OG tank killer takes to yet another battlefield. Some of the M113s look to have BGM TOW(2) systems and not the javelin system. An oldie but a goodie.
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:28 am to Jim Rockford
I think that's right. Go back to the old pattern - 2014-22 was low level conflict while trying to work through political influence in the US and Europe. Then get aggressive when he feels he's militarily prepared. I think he'd ultimately need Chinese replacements for Western tech for that.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:35 am to TigerDoc
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Go back to the old pattern - 2014-22 was low level conflict while trying to work through political influence in the US and Europe. Then get aggressive when he feels he's militarily prepared.
That's provided Ukraine allows him to return to the old pattern. If Ukraine can interdict the Russian supply lines coming out of Belgorod then Ukraine can win this war and potentially push Russia totally out of Ukraine. Big IF but possible.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:49 am to TigerDoc
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Go back to the old pattern - 2014-22 was low level conflict
The problem with turning the heat down is the West is fully committed. So you go back to low level you make it very affordable for the West to grind on in perpetuity.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:52 am to Lakeboy7
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Just a real quick targeting analysis then a thumbs up to the boss, fire away. Not much is off the table in this war.
Yeah it’s rarely that quick and plenty of US servicemen have been killed due to the indecisiveness of the guys doing the thumbs up at the targeting cell and even more bad guys have lived to fight another day. US commanders don’t get reprimanded or fired for losing troops or not killing the enemy, they get fired for accidentally or negligently killing civilians more often than not.
I doubt the Ukrainians will be so careful.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:54 am to Athanatos
From twitter today
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1524035941291241473
ETA: And other recent capture
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1524033383675973633
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1524035941291241473
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A Russian T-72B3 tank was recently captured by the Ukrainian forces on the Eastern front - as the author claims, the tank ran out of fuel and was abandoned by the Russian soldiers in fully working condition.
ETA: And other recent capture
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1524033383675973633
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:55 am to Chromdome35
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That's provided Ukraine allows him to return to the old pattern. If Ukraine can interdict the Russian supply lines coming out of Belgorod then Ukraine can win this war and potentially push Russia totally out of Ukraine. Big IF but possible.
At this point Putin should lose everything he seized in 2014. You can't just allow him to invade your country, rape your citizens and then let it go back as if nothing happened.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:56 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yeah it’s rarely that quick
In the Us Army totally agree, in fact its quite a painful process and with today's ultra risk adverse leadership....
I thought he was referring to us helping out the Ukrainians with targeting.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:11 am to Lakeboy7
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The problem with turning the heat down is the West is fully committed. So you go back to low level you make it very affordable for the West to grind on in perpetuity.
I hope this is right, but the worse things go for Russia, the more Putinfriends in the west will push for "peace" (which Putin sees not as a peace but a pause). Even Macron (who I wouldn't put in that camp) is already trying to make sure Putin's not "humiliated" before he's even been beaten.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:13 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yeah it’s rarely that quick and plenty of US servicemen have been killed due to the indecisiveness of the guys doing the thumbs up at the targeting cell and even more bad guys have lived to fight another day. US commanders don’t get reprimanded or fired for losing troops or not killing the enemy, they get fired for accidentally or negligently killing civilians more often than not.
I doubt the Ukrainians will be so careful.
Yes, hopefully the new applications of GIS/C3i data will minimize the friendly fire issues.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:14 am to Chromdome35
This is funny.
Ukraine, where Russian tanks go to die.
https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1523664324950036480
Ukraine, where Russian tanks go to die.
https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1523664324950036480
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:18 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:22 am to Centinel
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Do you even know where Ukraine is? Because you seem to have no knowledge of the geography of the area.
He laughably claimed he spent time over there, even though it's apparent from his post history that he's some myrtle beach trailer trash who has never left the country.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:33 am to TigerDoc
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I wonder if he doesn't see himself surviving with a humiliating loss, so he's willing to double down, willing to immiserate his country.
That's what I'm worried about, that he has some gotterdammerung, nihilistic philosophy and would rather go down in flames and take everyone down with him, although I care far less about the Russian people than I do western Europe. I think that's what Macron was getting at when he said don't "humiliate" Putin.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:37 am to Stidham8
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Advancing too slowly? Haha OK internet general.
When they’ve got Sloviansk encircled what will it matter how long it took? Their strategy to focus on the southeast portion of the country appears to be working.
Yes it does matter how fast Russia advances. Russia's goal is to encircle and trap Ukraine's forces in the east. Russia is currently advancing from 0.3 km to 2.5 km per day on the part of the front where it is advancing and there are large parts of the front where it is not advancing at all. Russia is not going to trap anyone advancing as slowly as it.
Plus Russia's clock is running out. Approximately 40% of the forces that Russia began the conflict with are now combat ineffective, and Russia has not started a mass mobilization yet. Ukraine started mass mobilization in February and it has between 250,000 - 500,000 reservists in training. Ukraine is also getting supplied with western weapons while Russia is having to dig into its stores of cold-war era weapons. Those Ukrainian troops will start coming out of their training in early summer. If Russia continues to advance as slowly and with heavy casualties it has sustained then it would not have secured its objectives by the time the Ukrainian reservists hit the battlefield. By July, Ukraine will then have numerical superiority and technical superiority. At that point, Russia is f**ked because we have already seen how poor the morale and discipline of the Russian forces is. The 2 times Ukraine has launched major counter attacks in the war Russian troops have hauled arse for the Belarusian border north of Kiev and now the Russian troops are falling back to the Russian border north and east of Kharkiv. What do you think they will do when Ukraine has a numerical advantage over them?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:42 am to Chromdome35
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You are probably right, do you have any idea where the staging areas are around Belgorod? I wonder if they are outside the city?
I would imagine that the staging areas are close to the rail yards. The rail yards are close to the city center along the Siverskyi Donets River.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:50 am to TBoy
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I keep reading this. I also an seeing reports that the western equipment is already starting to be deployed, but there does not seem to be any dramatic differences day to day. I guess we will all see whether this is in fact a game changer. I hope so.
If they are chunking 10 shells your way and you are chunking one their way, it will not make that much difference. If you are more precise it will close the gap. Not sure if the Ukrainians can match the artillery power of the Commie bastards unfortunately.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:50 am to Centinel
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In the news today is Zelensky calling for Russia to end the blockade to help with global food supply.
That's because the naval blockade only hurts Russia and the rest of the countries that rely on Ukraine's farms.
Ukrainians will be just fine.
I don't think that posters like Palmetto realize how big of a food producer Ukraine is. Ukraine was the 6th largest wheat exporter (not producer but exporter) in the world last year, and its corn exports (again exports not production) accounted for 12% of global corn exports. Ukraine can feed itself even with the eastern 1/3rd of the country being an active conflict zone. It might suffer economically from having to keep some of its exports at home to feed its population but Ukraine is not worried about its economy since it has basically been given credit cards from the US and the EU with no spending limit and no interest.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:51 am to WeeWee
Did you see the reporting yesterday on the update given by the Pentagon? Said they continue to see moral issues up to and including officers refusing to obey orders.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:51 am to magildachunks
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Uh.....
I believe that's exactly what this is resembling.
But this time, it's the invaders who are inferior.
Right. I guess that's why they're getting pummeled by Russia in the Donbas region.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 10:52 am
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