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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/7/25 at 8:59 am to
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 8:59 am to
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Evidence to back up that claim. Put up or shut up.


Just wait. Elon's autistic coders will be publishing it soon.
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:01 am to
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They left out the part about USAID paying for Z-Man's luxurious Italian villa and vineyard.


THIS IS WHAT THE POLIBOARD ACTUALLY BELIEVES!!!
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I don't believe that. Never have.

Do you deny all of the corruption and ridiculous spending on the woke shite that those crooks have done? Do you deny the corruption that has been revealed in that agency funding media domestically and internationally?

Do you acknowledge that agency has misused tax dollars and is nothing but a slush fund agency that has had no oversight?

That agency is as corrupt as it gets. It is evil. Kill it dead.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 9:07 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:07 am to
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They left out the part about USAID paying for Z-Man's luxurious Italian villa and vineyard.


THIS IS WHAT THE POLIBOARD ACTUALLY BELIEVES!!!
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 8:46 am


I don't believe that. Never have.

Do you deny all of the corruption and ridiculous spending on the woke shite that those crooks have done? Do you deny the corruption that has been revealed in that agency funding media domestically and internationally?

That agency is as corrupt as it gets. It is evil. Kill it dead.


USAID is a rogue organization that needs to be done away with or significantly downsized and reformed. There is no denying there is corruption in Ukraine. However, there is also no evidence to support the PT board posters' talking point about Zelensky using US tax payer money to buy a villa in Italy and a penthouse in Tel Aviv.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:13 am to
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2) Russia fights until exhaustion and collapse, leading to the break up of the country, provinces splitting off, China grabbing Siberia, total chaos and instability, etc.

So that leaves #2 and #3 as the only possibilities. No one wants #2.



No one wants #2...? Wait, let's rethink this. I actually think #2 is a beautiful solution.

And the only permanent, complete solution to the existance of the Russian problem. Just imagine a world in which Russia is extinct.
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:18 am to
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Just imagine a world in which Russia is extinct.


Russia has been contracting and expanding in a never ending cycle since its formation. It won't ever go away. Although it would be fun to see it eventually broken down into some logical, manageable pieces, I think the instability and bloodshed it would take to get there is just too risky a proposition.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:27 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:48 am to
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THIS IS WHAT THE POLIBOARD ACTUALLY BELIEVES!!!


Well some ex CIA blogger said it do it must be true.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:49 am to
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That agency is as corrupt as it gets. It is evil. Kill it dead.


Yes
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:59 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:59 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:00 am to
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2) Russia fights until exhaustion and collapse, leading to the break up of the country, provinces splitting off, China grabbing Siberia, total chaos and instability, etc. That's what Trump wants to avoid. Basically saving Russia from itself. Because if this thing goes on another 2-3 years that will happen.


To an extent #2 is already true with lots of Chinese in the Eastern half of Russia marrying Russian women and great influence in local Oblast business.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:16 am to
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Do you acknowledge that agency has misused tax dollars and is nothing but a slush fund agency that has had no oversight?


"Nothing but"? Don't be stupid. You aren't that stupid.

Of course there was waste and DEI crap at U SAID, just as in every other branch of the federal government. You don't think that the Department of Transportation wasted money on DEI crap? And that some of DOT money went to people friendly to Biden and the Dems? That same money is now getting re-routed to people friendly to Trump and the GOP, because that's how the corrupt system works.

But destroying USAID severely damages our national security. It's been reported that there are now only 18 staffers left in Africa. China is thrilled that they can win friends and build alliances without US competition. The Iranian mullahs openly cheered the ending of USAID funding for pro-democracy groups operating in Iran and opposing the Islamic theocracy.

Auditing and reforming U SAID would be smart. Destroying it is stupid.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:31 am to
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Auditing and reforming U SAID would be smart. Destroying it is stupid.


Not if you replace it with a more manageable agency and put it directly under the SOS.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:40 am to
You could have just folded it into the State Department. But they killed it because Elon wanted to pretend that he's saving the country by massively cutting waste and abuse, when the truth is that we are going dangerously deeper into debt every day, because the Trump administration won't touch Social Security or Medicare.

You don't have to suck up performative BS propaganda.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:50 am to
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There were only three possible outcomes here:

1) Russia conquers Ukraine, deposes the government, and turns it into Belarus. That was Putin's objective and the only scenario by which he wins.

2) Russia fights until exhaustion and collapse, leading to the break up of the country, provinces splitting off, China grabbing Siberia, total chaos and instability, etc. That's what Trump wants to avoid. Basically saving Russia from itself. Because if this thing goes on another 2-3 years that will happen.

3) Both sides agree to a cease fire. The international community will never recognize the Donbas as part of Russia (it was seized by force so that cannot be recognized under the UN charter regardless of what treaties are signed etc). So it becomes a frozen conflict with 1 million armed men from both sides staring at each other across a No Man's Land, waiting for the inevitable resumption of hostilities.

So at this point #1 is out. Russia had its shot and failed. So that leaves #2 and #3 as the only possibilities. No one wants #2. So everyone is lining up for #3. Which both sides will call a win. But which truly is a loss for the entire civilized world. Literally no net gain for anyone.

And it's not over and will probably not be over in our lifetimes.

That's what Putin has started. He started something he couldn't finish. That will be his legacy. Just like Iraq will be Bush's legacy.


or:

4) Part 3... but 2 happens over time because Russia demographically collapses.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:54 am to
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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:57 am to
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But they killed it because Elon wanted to pretend that he's saving the country by massively cutting waste and abuse


It was not accidental that his first move was to take down the USAID website. It listed all of their current programs and could be used to rebut some of his cherry picking disinformation.
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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:01 am to
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:20 am to
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You could have just folded it into the State Department. But they killed it because Elon wanted to pretend that he's saving the country by massively cutting waste and abuse


Hundreds of millions for Taliban poppy farm irrigation

Millions for DEI training, comic books and opera performances in dozens of other countries

“ElOn Is JuSt PrEtEnDiNG!”

You’re so incredibly smug. I am legitimately so happy your neocon bullshite organizations are getting blasted out of Washington. USAIDS today looks like a car hit by a drone strike in Ukraine. Mangled, smoking dogshit
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:25 am to
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USAIDS today looks like a car hit by a drone strike in Ukraine. Mangled, smoking dogshit


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