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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:57 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:57 am to Auburn1968
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It doesn't work that way. Generally, it just makes people a lot more pissed off and willing to fight the monster and get revenge.
It absolutely works that way, given enough time, in countries that have a fair amount of democratic processes. It wouldn’t work on China, because their people have no say in the matter, but it would work some on Ukraine.
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:30 pm to StormyMcMan
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"One of the key reasons Zelensky refuses to mobilize the key cohort of men aged between 18 and 25—typically the bulk of any fighting force—is because most of these people haven’t had children yet, according to the former Ukrainian officials. Should the recruits of that age group die or become incapacitated, future demographic prospects would dim further, Ukrainian demographers say."
That's obvious... but whenever I've mentioned it here people seem to disagree.
On the Russian side... while Russia faces an even worse demographic picture, the males sent to fight in Ukraine come from areas, ethnic groups and classes that the Russians DON'T want multiplying... because there's no work for them and they're a potential simmering rebellion. But at the same time the birth rate among the more privileged urban populations is pretty much flatlined, so... I guess that's why they kidnap Ukrainian children.
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This is the Russian world and the version of civilisation they are exporting to the world.
Yep. And some Americans really like it!!!
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:31 pm to AU86
whatever floats your boat, Buttercup
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:36 pm to Penrod
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It absolutely works that way, given enough time, in countries that have a fair amount of democratic processes. It wouldn’t work on China, because their people have no say in the matter, but it would work some on Ukraine.
This is what Putin and XI are telling the world is the "weakness" of Democracy and the "decadent West." Inconvenience the people enough and they roll over and accept domination... so a strongman triumphs and Democracy fails.
I hope they're wrong, but fear they might be right. That means the future is a return to endless wars of aggression and the late 20th Century was just an outlier... and there's probably not much future ahead. Of course, I saw a PT thread where people were celebrating the coming end on Biblical prophesy grounds, so...
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:46 pm to Penrod
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It wouldn’t work on China, because their people have no say in the matter, but it would work some on Ukraine.
But... I do have to say from a lot of reporting that China's "fearsome" Army of millions is... the most uncommitted and uninspired military on the planet. They don't love their country or system... they're forced to serve in a corrupt military...
We've seen that Russia has to have units of Chechens to shoot deserters/retreaters to keep up the front... so the same might apply.
And... the end of Tsarist Russia was forcing peasants to go fight in WWI, and they rebelled.
So maybe this is a lesson people just have to relearn time and time again every couple of generations?
Europe is "soft" at the moment, because the US wanted it that way, for the world's sake after WWi and WWII and... all of recorded European history before that... we engineered them becoming fat and lazy buffers between the Eastern Bloc and getting anywhere near the US, with militaries mostly dependent on and directed by us. That might not be necessary anymore... but we should probably put a lot of thought and planning into the transition.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:25 pm to Lee B
Not strictly on topic... but...
NYT (Gifted article): Pagers Explode Across Lebanon in Apparent Attck on Hezbollah
NYT (Gifted article): Pagers Explode Across Lebanon in Apparent Attck on Hezbollah
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:27 pm to Lee B
This contradicts with what the proven liar GOPe_Tiger has told us about his time volunteering at the LA GOP. Sad that he continues to work against the best interests of America on multiple fronts.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:36 pm to Penrod
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It absolutely works that way, given enough time, in countries that have a fair amount of democratic processes. It wouldn’t work on China, because their people have no say in the matter, but it would work some on Ukraine.
Sure worked in Syria but then again, Syria's economic aid was from Russia.
Meanwhile two state owned refineries were declared bankrupt in China. A third is meeting with the creditors in a few weeks. China absolutely needs exports to the West. Exports to Russia amount to a pimple.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:51 pm to CitizenK
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It absolutely works that way, given enough time, in countries that have a fair amount of democratic processes. It wouldn’t work on China, because their people have no say in the matter, but it would work some on Ukraine.
Sure worked in Syria but then again, Syria's economic aid was from Russia.
Yeah... the Arab Spring overall was people rebelling against dictators. Whenever people blame "Obama" for it, it cracks me up... because the same people insist he was weak and couldn't do anything internationally.
The Arab Spring was kicked off - and every one of those countries actually already had simmering revolutions and resistance groups waging war on the government - by an increase in the price of flour and bread. That made people in cities angry and sent them into the streets, and it snowballed from there. "People in cities" being the equivalent of the middle-class in those countries... revolution is a middle-class phenomenon... a country of starving peasants is usually too weak, desperate and robbed of imagining anything better to revolt.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:00 pm to Lee B
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Yeah... the Arab Spring overall was people rebelling against dictators.
Meh, the Tunisian thing was a blood feud between the ruler and a leading family. It was run out of an office in France, near Cannes, owned by an aggrieved family member who was a partner of a biz friend. I don't know about Egypt, but Libya was from outsiders, then Europe stepped in to help the outsiders. It cost me a LOT of profit by stopping an accepted offer to relocate a refinery from Yabucoa, Puerto Rico to Ras Lanuf. Bay Ltd was going to handle the dismantlement, minor refurbishment, packing and shipping with its Cairo Egypt subsidiary handling re-erection.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:24 pm to texag7
quote:Iran literally shot rockets at a US military base
Nothing happened under Trump.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:28 pm to LSU7096
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Biden is brain dead Pedo who let's Treasonous Blinken lead the world to war!
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:01 pm to Lee B
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Whenever people blame "Obama" for it, it cracks me up...
Do you miss your boi?
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:20 pm to Lee B
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Yeah... the Arab Spring overall was people rebelling against dictators. Whenever people blame "Obama" for it, it cracks me up... because the same people insist he was weak and couldn't do anything internationally.
If he did "mastermind" it and it largely failed, then the "Obama was weak on foreign policy" take lines up perfectly, actually.
The 2016 election was so.... attention grabbing.... that I don't think I ever really did a personal post-mortem on the Obama years.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:24 pm to Lee B
quote:No one blames Obama for the Arab Spring. They blame him for screwing it up.
Yeah... the Arab Spring overall was people rebelling against dictators. Whenever people blame "Obama" for it, it cracks me up... because the same people insist he was weak and couldn't do anything internationally.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:35 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Here is a literal sense as to how US military interactions with literal Russians literally went in the Middle East. These are literally intercepted literal Russian communications. They are literally confirmed as literally genuine
Iran literally shot rockets at a US military base
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First clip:
"The reports that are on TV about ... well, you know, about Syria and the 25 people that are wounded there from the Syrian f--- army and — well ... to make it short, we've had our asses f--- kicked. So one squadron f--- lost 200 people ... right away, another one lost 10 people ... and I don't know about the third squadron, but it got torn up pretty badly, too ... So three squadrons took a beating ... The Yankees attacked ... first they blasted the f--- out of us by artillery, and then they took four helicopters up and pushed us in a f--- merry-go-round with heavy caliber machine guns ... They were all shelling the holy f--- out of it, and our guys didn't have anything besides the assault rifles ... nothing at all, not even mentioning shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that ... So they tore us to pieces for sure, put us through hell, and the Yankees knew for sure that the Russians were coming, that it was us, f--- Russians ... Our guys were going to commandeer an oil refinery, and the Yankees were holding it ... We got our f--- asses beat rough, my men called me ... They're there drinking now ... many have gone missing ... it's a total f--- up, it sucks, another takedown ... Everybody, you know, treats us like pieces of s--- ... They beat our asses like we were little pieces of s--- ... but our f--- government will go in reverse now, and nobody will respond or anything, and nobody will punish anyone for this ... So these are our casualties."
Second clip:
"Out of all vehicles, only one tank survived and one BRDM [armored reconnaissance vehicle] after the attack, all other BRDMs and tanks were destroyed in the first minutes of the fight, right away."
Third clip:
"Just had a call with a guy — so they basically formed a convoy, but did not get to their f--- positions by some 300 meters. One unit moved forward, the convoy remained in place, about 300 meters from the others. The others raised the American f--- flag, and their artillery started f--- ours really hard. Then their f--- choppers flew in and started f--- everybody. Ours just running around. Just got a call from a pal, so there are about 215 f--- killed. They simply rolled ours out f--- hard. Made their point. What the f--- ours were hoping for in there?! That they will f--- run away themselves? Hoped to f--- scare them away? Lots of people f--- so bad [they] can't be f--- ID'd. There was no foot soldiers [on the American side]; they simply f--- our convoy with artillery."
For benefit of those who thought these discussions were literally "unburdened by the past"
Posted on 9/17/24 at 4:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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quote: First clip: "The reports that are on TV about ... well, you know, about Syria and the 25 people that are wounded there from the Syrian f--- army and — well ... to make it short, we've had our asses f--- kicked. So one squadron f--- lost 200 people ... right away, another one lost 10 people ... and I don't know about the third squadron, but it got torn up pretty badly, too ... So three squadrons took a beating ... The Yankees attacked ... first they blasted the f--- out of us by artillery, and then they took four helicopters up and pushed us in a f--- merry-go-round with heavy caliber machine guns ... They were all shelling the holy f--- out of it, and our guys didn't have anything besides the assault rifles ... nothing at all, not even mentioning shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that ... So they tore us to pieces for sure, put us through hell, and the Yankees knew for sure that the Russians were coming, that it was us, f--- Russians ... Our guys were going to commandeer an oil refinery, and the Yankees were holding it ... We got our f--- asses beat rough, my men called me ... They're there drinking now ... many have gone missing ... it's a total f--- up, it sucks, another takedown ... Everybody, you know, treats us like pieces of s--- ... They beat our asses like we were little pieces of s--- ... but our f--- government will go in reverse now, and nobody will respond or anything, and nobody will punish anyone for this ... So these are our casualties."
FAFO
Posted on 9/17/24 at 4:28 pm to REG861
quote:I guess that explains the DVs
FAFO
Posted on 9/17/24 at 5:06 pm to NC_Tigah
The 2 useful idiot JRs fail to mention that russia is using iranian and north korea weapons for long range strikes to every part of ukraine.
Negotiate with Moscow to end the Ukraine war and prevent nuclear devastation
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump Jr., opinion contributors - 09/17/24 7:30 AM ET
The New York Times reported Thursday that the Biden administration is considering allowing Ukraine to use NATO-provided long-range precision weapons against targets deep inside Russia. Such a decision would put the world at greater risk of nuclear conflagration than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis.
At a time when American leaders should be focused on finding a diplomatic off-ramp to a war that should never have been allowed to take place, the Biden-Harris administration is instead pursuing a policy that Russia says it will interpret as an act of war. In the words of Vladimir Putin, long-range strikes in Russia “will mean that NATO countries — the United States and European countries — are at war with Russia.”
The Hill
Negotiate with Moscow to end the Ukraine war and prevent nuclear devastation
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump Jr., opinion contributors - 09/17/24 7:30 AM ET
The New York Times reported Thursday that the Biden administration is considering allowing Ukraine to use NATO-provided long-range precision weapons against targets deep inside Russia. Such a decision would put the world at greater risk of nuclear conflagration than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis.
At a time when American leaders should be focused on finding a diplomatic off-ramp to a war that should never have been allowed to take place, the Biden-Harris administration is instead pursuing a policy that Russia says it will interpret as an act of war. In the words of Vladimir Putin, long-range strikes in Russia “will mean that NATO countries — the United States and European countries — are at war with Russia.”
The Hill
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 9/17/24 at 5:15 pm to NC_Tigah
That was when Wagner got smoked by US SF and anything else in the area including a few Apaches. Putin gave medals to a few guys for just surviving the Apaches.
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