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Posted on 9/16/24 at 5:39 pm to Tigris
quote:No.
Yes, I understand ...
You don't.
With that fact out of the way, Chamberlain presumed the gift of Czechoslovakia would negate Versailles stupidity re: "the Polish Corridor."
What is the equivalent nidus re: Putin?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 5:42 pm to NC_Tigah
How the frick are people downvoting this comment? Lmfao
Posted on 9/16/24 at 5:48 pm to VolSquatch
quote:Sometimes truth slaps emotional "people" in the face.
How the frick are people....
Posted on 9/16/24 at 5:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
"people"
The same ones who think Ukraine is winning, but that we need to escalate because reasons
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:04 pm to VolSquatch
Attacking hospitals is part of Putin’s plan
Russia’s “total war” tactics are aimed at forcing local populations to press the government to capitulate, experts say. July 11, 2024 11:35 am CET
KYIV — The Russian Kh-101 cruise missile that smashed into Kyiv's Okhmatdyt children's hospital earlier this week may have been a war crime, but it was no accident.
Russia has long targeted hospitals in the wars it has waged in Ukraine, Syria and Chechnya and the purpose is simple, if gruesome: To shock the population so much that people put pressure on their governments to surrender.
“Empirical evidence suggests that this is a Russian tactic in conventional warfare. Russia has an established track record of targeting hospitals,” Fabian Hoffmann, a missile expert and a doctoral research fellow at the Oslo Nuclear Project, said.
There's also a military rationale. Russia's spring attack toward Ukraine's second city of Kharkiv has stalled. It is only making incremental gains along the eastern front but at a staggering cost in men and equipment.
"The Russian army is attacking civilian areas to disperse the resources of the Ukrainian forces currently concentrated along the front," Ruslan Trad, a researcher at the Atlantic Council, wrote in the Moscow Times. "Moscow knows that Ukraine needs additional air defense systems to defend its cities and skies, and it is exploiting this weakness with devastating consequences."
The bloodshed unleashed by Russian leader Vladimir Putin is horrific.
Monday's strike on Okhmatdyt injured over 30 people, including eight children, and killed two people, one of them a doctor, Ukrainian authorities said. It also left Ukraine's premier children's hospital in ruins.
Kremlin track record
It's not the first time Russia has used this technique.
So far, Russia has damaged more than 1,600 medical centers and destroyed more than 200 hospitals in Ukraine, the Health Ministry of Ukraine reported in June. Russian forces also target ambulances and other medical evacuation vehicles in frontline regions.
Similar things happened in Syria, where Russia was accused of bombing multiple hospitals throughout its involvement in the military campaign. Physicians for Human Rights, an NGO that monitors attacks on health care infrastructure, found that Russian or Syrian forces were responsible for attacking 541 medical facilities over a 10-year period.
“By firing at hospitals and other civilian infrastructure Russia sticks to one motivation — press civilian population into capitulation. Force the country it attacks to go for the Kremlin’s terms of ending the war,” Nazar Voloshyn, a Ukrainian army spokesperson, said.
“This is a tyrant that will only accept surrender. And Putin is ready to kill people in enormous numbers to make our Ukrainian government more compliant. And the Kremlin’s main targets for that are the most vulnerable — kids, women, senior people,” Voloshyn added.
Mykola Bielieskov, a military analyst and research fellow at the Ukrainian National Institute for Strategic Studies, said the attacks on hospitals are an example of the total war approach favored by the Kremlin.
“A key difference between total war and classical war is that, along with fighting on the front lines and striking purely military targets, civilian infrastructure is also struck to undermine the will of the population to resist,” Bielieskov said.
The Security Service of Ukraine concluded that a Kh-101 hit the hospital and police found fragments of the missile at the scene.
Later the United Nations, as well as dozens of open source investigators, confirmed it was a Russian strategic air-to-ground subsonic cruise missile.
Hoffman of the Oslo Nuclear Project analyzed the videos and photos of the strike and concluded: “Yes, this was 100 percent a Kh-101.”
Politico
Russia’s “total war” tactics are aimed at forcing local populations to press the government to capitulate, experts say. July 11, 2024 11:35 am CET
KYIV — The Russian Kh-101 cruise missile that smashed into Kyiv's Okhmatdyt children's hospital earlier this week may have been a war crime, but it was no accident.
Russia has long targeted hospitals in the wars it has waged in Ukraine, Syria and Chechnya and the purpose is simple, if gruesome: To shock the population so much that people put pressure on their governments to surrender.
“Empirical evidence suggests that this is a Russian tactic in conventional warfare. Russia has an established track record of targeting hospitals,” Fabian Hoffmann, a missile expert and a doctoral research fellow at the Oslo Nuclear Project, said.
There's also a military rationale. Russia's spring attack toward Ukraine's second city of Kharkiv has stalled. It is only making incremental gains along the eastern front but at a staggering cost in men and equipment.
"The Russian army is attacking civilian areas to disperse the resources of the Ukrainian forces currently concentrated along the front," Ruslan Trad, a researcher at the Atlantic Council, wrote in the Moscow Times. "Moscow knows that Ukraine needs additional air defense systems to defend its cities and skies, and it is exploiting this weakness with devastating consequences."
The bloodshed unleashed by Russian leader Vladimir Putin is horrific.
Monday's strike on Okhmatdyt injured over 30 people, including eight children, and killed two people, one of them a doctor, Ukrainian authorities said. It also left Ukraine's premier children's hospital in ruins.
Kremlin track record
It's not the first time Russia has used this technique.
So far, Russia has damaged more than 1,600 medical centers and destroyed more than 200 hospitals in Ukraine, the Health Ministry of Ukraine reported in June. Russian forces also target ambulances and other medical evacuation vehicles in frontline regions.
Similar things happened in Syria, where Russia was accused of bombing multiple hospitals throughout its involvement in the military campaign. Physicians for Human Rights, an NGO that monitors attacks on health care infrastructure, found that Russian or Syrian forces were responsible for attacking 541 medical facilities over a 10-year period.
“By firing at hospitals and other civilian infrastructure Russia sticks to one motivation — press civilian population into capitulation. Force the country it attacks to go for the Kremlin’s terms of ending the war,” Nazar Voloshyn, a Ukrainian army spokesperson, said.
“This is a tyrant that will only accept surrender. And Putin is ready to kill people in enormous numbers to make our Ukrainian government more compliant. And the Kremlin’s main targets for that are the most vulnerable — kids, women, senior people,” Voloshyn added.
Mykola Bielieskov, a military analyst and research fellow at the Ukrainian National Institute for Strategic Studies, said the attacks on hospitals are an example of the total war approach favored by the Kremlin.
“A key difference between total war and classical war is that, along with fighting on the front lines and striking purely military targets, civilian infrastructure is also struck to undermine the will of the population to resist,” Bielieskov said.
The Security Service of Ukraine concluded that a Kh-101 hit the hospital and police found fragments of the missile at the scene.
Later the United Nations, as well as dozens of open source investigators, confirmed it was a Russian strategic air-to-ground subsonic cruise missile.
Hoffman of the Oslo Nuclear Project analyzed the videos and photos of the strike and concluded: “Yes, this was 100 percent a Kh-101.”
Politico
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:29 pm to cypher
quote:
Russia’s “total war” tactics are aimed at forcing local populations to press the government to capitulate, experts say. July 11, 2024 11:35 am CET
It doesn't work that way. Generally, it just makes people a lot more pissed off and willing to fight the monster and get revenge.
Glad Ukraine is not going into the civilian retaliation trap. Civilians are low value targets.
Germany had England's RAF on the ropes when they were bombing their air fields and support facilities. Then Hitler switched to civilian terror bombings and the RAF recovered.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:46 pm to Auburn1968
My favorite bit of logic from this...
"Biden is leading us to WWIII and M.A.D. because he's escalating things with Putin!!!"
That wouldn't happen with Trump?
"No! Trump says he told Putin if he invaded Ukraine he would nuke Russia! So Putin wouldn't dare!"
"Biden is leading us to WWIII and M.A.D. because he's escalating things with Putin!!!"
That wouldn't happen with Trump?
"No! Trump says he told Putin if he invaded Ukraine he would nuke Russia! So Putin wouldn't dare!"
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:48 pm to cypher
quote:
Russia’s “total war” tactics are aimed at forcing local populations to press the government to capitulate
Meh, probably taking a page out of netanyahoos book..and ours for that matter
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:19 pm to Lee B
quote:
"No! Trump says he told Putin if he invaded Ukraine he would nuke Russia! So Putin wouldn't dare!"
Nope just cruise missiles to Moscow
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:40 pm to CitizenK
quote:
Nope just cruise missiles to Moscow
So Biden needs to be more focused in his escalation?
I'm not talking about you, since you don't shite your pants every time the Kremlin draws another line in the sand...
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:18 pm to Lee B
quote:
"Biden is leading us to WWIII and M.A.D. because he's escalating things with Putin!!!" That wouldn't happen with Trump?
Nothing happened under Trump. We have the evidence.
Putin invaded because Biden wears a diaper and has dementia.
quote:
My favorite bit of logic
You don’t use logic just emotion.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:39 pm to texag7
Ha... you're the emotional snowflake here, Cindy-Lou!
Posted on 9/17/24 at 6:12 am to texag7
quote:
Nothing happened under Trump. We have the evidence.
Invasion happened in 2014,by Russia. It was Obama/Biden who did nothing.
2016-2020. Trump sent some Javelins authorized by Congress, and we continued to supply some training. Russia did NOT withdraw with shelling across the border from each side continuing
The invasion from 2014 was widened greatly in 2022.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 6:15 am to CitizenK
ISW Update Sept 16
quote:
Key Takeaways:
Ukraine has taken steps to address its manpower shortages, but delays and insufficiencies in Western military aid to Ukraine continue to limit its ability to generate effective combat units that can defend critical areas and contest the theater-wide initiative.
Zelensky reiterated that Ukraine's incursion into Kursk Oblast has forced Russia to redirect some resources from Ukraine to defend in Russia but that Ukraine still needs sufficient resources and Western permission to strike military targets in Russia to mitigate the theater-wide strain on Ukrainian forces.
Russia continues to build out its long-term military capacity by gradually increasing the size of its armed forces.
Iran is simultaneously setting conditions to build a nuclear weapon while continuing to signal its willingness to resume nuclear negotiations with the West.
Select Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) officials continue to face corruption charges as the Russian military leadership is undertaking a wider effort to root out corruption in the MoD.
Ukrainian forces advanced in Glushkovsky Raion, Kursk Oblast, and Russian forces recaptured territory in the area as of September 16. Ukrainian and Russian forces recently advanced in the Kursk salient.
Ukrainian forces regained territory near Kharkiv City and Pokrovsk.
Russian forces advanced near Kreminna, Chasiv Yar, Pokrovsk, and Vuhledar.
Russia reportedly continues to coerce migrants to fight in the Russian military.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 6:33 am to StormyMcMan
Random tweets
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The Armed Forces of the russian federation are surrounded in the village of Kremiane, kursk region, — DeepState.
According to DeepState, from the first days of the kursk operation, the russians in the settlement were actually in an operational environment.
Recently, it was possible to completely surround the groups in the village, but there are periodically successful attempts to break through to them with armored vehicles, with BC and food.
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Germany will allocate an additional €100 million to Ukraine this winter.
The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Germany, Annalena Berbock, announced this.
She said that in the winter, russia again plans to "make the lives of people in Ukraine terrible."
LINK
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Two power substations caught fire in Sumy after a drone attack, there is no light and communication in the city, the Ukrainian service of Radio Liberty has reported
This is reported by the Ukrainian service of Radio Liberty. There are no reports of casualties among the population. There is no electricity and communication in the city, there are interruptions in water supply, and the movement of trolleybuses has been stopped.
Critical facilities such as hospitals and water supply systems have been connected to backup power supply systems.
In Konotop after the Russian attack, a fire broke out at a meat processing plant, and the town was also left without electricity and communications.
LINK
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The UK will not allow Ukraine to use Western long-range missiles for strikes against Russian Federation without US approval, The Times has quoted a source as saying
British authorities believe that US guidance systems play a key role in the accuracy of strikes.
At the same time, they believe the US is likely to authorize the strikes during the UN General Assembly, which opened on September 10 - although the Biden administration is divided on the issue.
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A Russian mobilised serviceman describes in detail the practice of so-called "correctional pits" in the glorious Russian army. These pits come in several forms, ranging from the open, "wet pit," which offers no protection from the elements and is used for prisoners without money, to the "phone booth" pits, where wealthier detainees can even access the Internet.
This is the Russian world and the version of civilisation they are exporting to the world.
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The EU has directed 1.4 billion in profits from frozen Russian assets to buying military aid for Ukraine.
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The increase in personnel of the Russian Armed Forces is due to the "number of threats that exist along the perimeter of Russia's borders" and the "hostile environment," said Dmitry Peskov.
Earlier, Putin increased the size of the Russian Armed Forces to 2 million 389 thousand people, including 1.5 million military personnel, up 180,000 from the previous increase.
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The war in Ukraine will not end in 2024 or 2025, there is no need to create false expectations, — Dutch Defense Minister Ruben Brekelmans.
He emphasized the importance of a long-term perspective for ending the russian-Ukrainian war.
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Qatar to supply Ukraine with half of its Panzerhaubitze 2000s, — Bild.
Before being shipped to Ukraine, the howitzers will be repaired in Germany. They will be modernized, software updated, and modified at the request of the Ukrainian side. The process will be controlled by the largest defense companies — KMW and Rheinmetall.
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WSJ: the number of Russians and Ukrainians killed or wounded in the war has reached one million people
The Wall Street Journal quoted sources familiar with the assessment of the Ukrainian side's losses, as well as the intelligence services of Western countries, as saying that the number of Russians and Ukrainians killed or wounded in the war had reached one million.
According to the newspaper, the losses of the Ukrainian army could amount to up to 480,000 people, including 80,000 dead and 400,000 wounded.
Russia, according to Western intelligence services, lost 600,000 soldiers as a result of the full-scale invasion: 200,000 dead and 400,000 wounded.
WSJ emphasizes that this is only a rough estimate, and Western intelligence agencies have different data on Russia.
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Meta blocked Russia's RT propaganda resources for using covert social media tactics
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"A confidential Ukrainian estimate from earlier this year put the number of dead Ukrainian troops at 80,000 and the wounded at 400,000, according to people familiar with the matter. Western intelligence estimates of Russian casualties vary, with some putting the number of dead as high as nearly 200,000 and wounded at around 400,000...
With over six million fleeing Ukraine since the start of the war in February 2022, according to the United Nations, and Russia seizing further land, the total population on Kyiv-controlled territory has now dropped to between 25 million and 27 million, according to previously undisclosed Ukrainian government estimates."
"One of the key reasons Zelensky refuses to mobilize the key cohort of men aged between 18 and 25—typically the bulk of any fighting force—is because most of these people haven’t had children yet, according to the former Ukrainian officials. Should the recruits of that age group die or become incapacitated, future demographic prospects would dim further, Ukrainian demographers say."
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Ukrainian intelligence attacked Russian drone base in Syria
The Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine's Defense Ministry's special forces of the Khimik group conducted an operation on September 15 on the outskirts of the city of Aleppo, the Kyiv Post reported, citing a source in Ukrainian intelligence. According to them, at the attacked base, the Russian military manufactured and tested attack drones, as well as produced improvised explosive devices.
The video, allegedly shot by the Ukrainian military, shows an explosion followed by detonation at the Russian base. Ukraine did not officially confirm the attack on the Russian military base.
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 6:34 am to StormyMcMan
A WSJ article says total Russian and Ukrainian casualties top 1MM.
It's behind a pay wall and don't know how to link it. Sorry about that.
It's behind a pay wall and don't know how to link it. Sorry about that.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:13 am to Lee B
I am going to name you Leon. For Leon Trotsky
That sums you up pretty well.
That sums you up pretty well.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:51 am to Lee B
Biden is brain dead Pedo who let's Treasonous Blinken lead the world to war!
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:52 am to Lee B
quote:There is a history, Champ.
That wouldn't happen with Trump?
Asking the question (and addressing the issue as sophomorically as you do), indicates you're as "unburdened by the past" as Kamala is.
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