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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:20 pm to Lee B
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:20 pm to Lee B
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"This is about good versus evil!"
Honestly, whenever someone says that phrase... delineating anything into absolutist black and white terms, with themselves as the Judge, I think they're nuts. Next you can dehumanize whoever you've assigned to be evil, and then..
Almost like people who are 100% sure (with no way of actually being 100% sure, btw) that an adversary intentionally targeted a pediatric hospital
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:23 pm to VolSquatch
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Almost like people who are 100% sure (with no way of actually being 100% sure, btw) that an adversary intentionally targeted a pediatric hospital
When it fits a pattern of behavior over decades it can be assumed to be intentional.
Do you think people "accidentally" shoot people more than once?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:40 pm to Lee B
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When it fits a pattern of behavior over decades it can be assumed to be intentional.
And it might be. I left the possibility open either way because no one can truly know, which was my point.
My opinion is that I doubt they intentionally did it. There isn't anything for Russian leadership to gain by picking out a pediatric hospital on a map and blowing it up.... continuous acts such as those over a period only give Ukraine recruitment material and give the west headlines to public opinion on supporting Ukraine up. Couple that with Russian military ineptitude.... the theory doesn't hold a lot of water for me.
To play into the LARP narrative... Russia is supposedly running out of stuff and now according to them would be less than a year from economic collapse, and they are going to use valuable resources to blow up a pediatric hospital?
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Do you think people "accidentally" shoot people more than once?
Did they in this particular case?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:51 pm to VolSquatch
I posted an NYT article from 2022 about how Russia targets militarily civilians in conflicts, by pattern. Even if you don't like the source, take the incidents they mention and research them yourself. It is part of Russian military doctrine to terrorize the civilian population of countries they are at war with...
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:53 pm to Lee B
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Do you really think they intentionally targeted a pediatric hospital?
Russia? No. They would never target children or pedestrians.
NYT (Gifted article): Russian forces targeted civilians in previous conflicts.
Russia’s attacks in Ukraine this week echo those of Moscow’s earlier military campaigns.
here's that link again, to make it easy for you
NYT (Gifted article): Russian forces targeted civilians in previous conflicts.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:59 pm to Lee B
The question wasn't "does Russia ever do this?" or "has Russia ever done this before?" it was "did Russia definitively do this in this case?", which you have still been unable or unwilling to answer
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:10 pm to VolSquatch
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The question wasn't "does Russia ever do this?" or "has Russia ever done this before?" it was "did Russia definitively do this in this case?", which you have still been unable or unwilling to answer
you're just a troll...
you answer this, how do you know Routh was going to shoot Trump?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:21 pm to Lee B
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you answer this, how do you know Routh was going to shoot Trump?
We don't 100% know for sure
His motive was there though. I demonstrated why the motive point doesn't make as much sense for Russia, but you provided some compelling counterpoints.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:34 pm to VolSquatch
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Notice how you didn't say I was incorrect, because even you know what I said was true.
No, I’m saying what you said is designed to draw attention to yourself. That’s all you do all day.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:35 pm to VolSquatch
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The question wasn't "does Russia ever do this?" or "has Russia ever done this before?" it was "did Russia definitively do this in this case?"
Russia has always been this way be it since 1991, during USSR, during Tsarist Russia. Study Russian history instead of jumping in the middle of thread almost 2 years late then saying none of this was shown to be true before you arrived.
Your sole goal, it seems, is to be chaotic likely because you are clueless to actual facts. Do you wonder where the water goes when you flush a toilet, because you cannot see it go anywhere?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:43 pm to doubleb
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I’m saying what you said is designed to draw attention to yourself.
Yeah thats what I'M doing, the virtue signaling LARPers in a competition on who can support Ukraine the hardest definitely aren't doing that
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:52 pm to CitizenK
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Russia has always been this way be it since 1991, during USSR, during Tsarist Russia. Study Russian history instead of jumping in the middle of thread almost 2 years late then saying none of this was shown to be true before you arrived.
Oh look, another person disagreeing that can't provide evidence other than "they did it before"
Azov were Nazis before. Ukraine has pretty much always been corrupt. Do you really want to open up the "past behavior definitely always = present behavior" box?
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Your sole goal, it seems, is to be chaotic likely because you are clueless to actual facts. Do you wonder where the water goes when you flush a toilet, because you cannot see it go anywhere?
You're just upset that I'm not wrong, or at least you can't prove me wrong because I've left it open ended that I could be incorrect because its impossible to be 100% sure.
"This is what I think, happy to be proven wrong" is something intelligent people who want to have a conversation tend to say..... which is something you objectively are not. GOP, Lee sometimes, and a few others are here for that. You're here either to push a narrative or you're just so invested in this because of some personal connection that you are incapable of logic or reason.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:57 pm to VolSquatch
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Azov were Nazis before.
Not true, it was made up originally of soccer hooligans. Vice news (leftists) called it a Nazi group. They stopped Russia from taking Mariupol in 2014.
So the US and England were pro USSR because they allied in WWII?
Go play with Tucker whose "historian" says that Nazis were good, everyone else bad.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:03 pm to CitizenK
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Not true, it was made up originally of soccer hooligans. Vice news (leftists) called it a Nazi group. They stopped Russia from taking Mariupol in 2014.
LINK
Fact Check: True
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Go play with Tucker whose "historian" says that Nazis were good, everyone else bad.
So I'm criticizing Azov for their association with them, but I think they are good? At least try to build a coherent narrative here.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:59 pm to CitizenK
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Azov were Nazis before.
Not true, it was made up originally of soccer hooligans. Vice news (leftists) called it a Nazi group. They stopped Russia from taking Mariupol in 2014.
So the US and England were pro USSR because they allied in WWII?
Go play with Tucker whose "historian" says that Nazis were good, everyone else bad.
In the History of Ukraine, the "NAZI" thing is very complicated...
or maybe not here in the land of "Heritage Not Hate!" where people champion the Confederacy and make pretzel logic to somehow otherwise blame "Democrats" for slavery, ignoring that they and their own families were Democrats (as was 98% of the South before 2000) and that the Confederacy were Democrats before they seceded from the country (and again after the War).
The only countervailing force in Ukraine in the late 1930s- to - mid-1940s against Stalin's barbarity was the invading NAZIs. They were "greeted as Liberators" and that legacy kind of lingered on a bit... in increasingly historically revisionist ways for some who ignored the NAZI atrocities, and in some (thankfully few) who just adopted the entire ideology. People like to ask how avowed Ukrainian NAZIs could support Jewish Zelensky? Well, keeping the pro-Russian candidates out of power was by far their greater priority.
Similarly, it seemed strange to many that Israel would not take a side, initially, in this conflict, since Zelensky and much of Ukraine's population are Jewish... but Israeli jews remember the U.S.S.R. as being the ones who liberated many of the Concentration Camps, something Putin reminds them of every chance he gets, so that complicates a lot of their policies... even when you think they would be clear cut... but Russia turning to Iran seems to have broken the relationship...
By the way, who doesn't suspect that Putin is giving Russia nuclear tech in exchange for missiles and drones? What else does he have that Iran needs? Oil?
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 3:12 pm to VolSquatch
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Not true, it was made up originally of soccer hooligans. Vice news (leftists) called it a Nazi group. They stopped Russia from taking Mariupol in 2014.
LINK
Fact Check: True
Yes, true... and also complicated.
Their founding patron was a Ukrainian-born Israeli Jew...
But during WWII both the Arabs and the Jews in The Palestine Mandate were colluding with the NAZIs against their common enemy in the territory, the ruling British. Granted... no one knew the reality of the concentration camps at the time (and the gassing started later when the tide of the war seemed to be turning against Germany) but when asked at the time how he could collude with a country who was at the least rounding up Jews and imprisoning them, Menachem Begin - who was a leader of the Zionist terrorists at the time - gave the reasoning "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
People are wonderful beings.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 3:56 pm to Lee B
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I posted an NYT article from 2022
And you fell for that?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 3:57 pm to CitizenK
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Not true, it was made up originally of soccer hooligans. Vice news (leftists) called it a Nazi group.
Seriously? You're going to lie about that one?
Where's your dignity?
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They stopped Russia from taking Mariupol in 2014.
Akhmetov made a deal, that's why Mariupol wasn't captured.
It was one of the most pro Russian cities in the Donbas. Azov stayed there after the fighting end to crack skulls and keep things under control.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 4:40 pm to Coeur du Tigre
quote:There is no "easy solution" involving escalation.
easily solve the problem of the non-escalation policy
The way out is de-escalation, and resumption of dialogue.
This affair will not be settled on the battlefield, at least not shy of WWIII and MAD. Reality does not sit well here, but facts are stubborn things.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 5:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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The way out is de-escalation, and resumption of dialogue.
Said Neville Chamberlain in 1938. Putin isn't all that different in his behavior. Yes, I understand the MAD angle of this. Giving in to Putin would probably decrease the odds of a nuclear exchange in the next few years. But it would embolden the budding nuclear powers and make a nuclear war more likely going forward. It's best to nip this in the bud rather than kick the can down the road.
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