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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61475 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

B Instead of pulling for Elon, who should we be pulling for to fight for our 1st amendment rights? Zuckerberg? Bezos? Gates?


They all suck. But if I had to pick one, Zuck seems to be the most normal and moral of them all. He’s at least been willing to admit mistakes, he’s stayed w/his wife who he met before he got rich, he’s got zero sex scandals, and based on my wife’s experience working for Meta he seems to actually give a shite about his employees and doesn’t treat them like replaceable garbage.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26468 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:07 pm to
Putin has 'no option but to go forward' says military analyst Prof Michael Clarke

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:13 pm to
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That's not 1% as bad as hiring John Bolton as your National Security Advisor.


Its probably worse, its 2024 and we have even more evidence now that John Bolton is awful

quote:

What kind of idiots would have done that? Two come to mind....



I'm not exactly a Trump (and definitely not a Bush) fanboy, so I'm not really your target audience with this.

November is a poor choice vs a terrible choice for me.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87315 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:11 pm to
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Reality is that he could give a shite less. False bravado to cover up his corruption trying to blame everything on "woke" trying to get him



Counterpoint: A lot of citizens of a lot of countries don't care about the sincerity of their leaders' belief systems, they care about the resulting impacts on them (especially relative to other countries around them).
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87315 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Is it the strongman appeal?


It's the "do what's best for us" appeal
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13312 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:22 pm to
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November is a poor choice vs a terrible choice for me.


I agree with you on that one
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:59 pm to
American Hawkeye howitzers are already in Ukraine

The Ukrainian military is already using the American 2-CT Hawkeye experimental artillery system.

Development manager Mike Evans noted that it had taken two weeks to train the crew of the artillery system.

“We recently delivered a 105mm system to Ukraine. We shipped it in April. This system is destined to become one of the first soft recoil systems in combat. It’s going into combat to test on live targets,” said Mike Evans.

Hawkeye was developed by AM General and Mandus Group in 2019. It is a M20 lightweight 105 mm howitzer on the HMMWV M1152 chassis.

The system is equipped with the Soft Recoil system, which reduces the load and weight of stabilizing structures by 50% compared to conventional systems.

The lightweight vehicle has high mobility and can be transported by transport aircraft and helicopters, including transportation by slings and parachute landing.



Details
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:44 pm to
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Counterpoint: A lot of citizens of a lot of countries don't care about the sincerity of their leaders' belief systems, they care about the resulting impacts on them (especially relative to other countries around them).


Lots of subsidies from the EU to keep Hungary's citizens pacified even farm subsidies not to grow food that undercuts prices of farmers in Western Europe.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:55 pm to
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Counterpoint: A lot of citizens of a lot of countries don't care about the sincerity of their leaders' belief systems, they care about the resulting impacts on them (especially relative to other countries around them).


Not to totally derail more than we already are, but thats an issue Kamala has IMO. There are sizable chunks of both the moderates and the far left that not only view her as insincere on the issues, but they don't believe she will have the resulting impact on them that they desire.

I think thats why her campaign isn't talking much about actual policy. They hope enough people in both of those buckets will just hate Trump enough to vote for her. And they might be right. But if they come out and definitely plant their flag one way or the other it will alienate one of those groups since her record of flip-flopping is well-documented. Right now she can play the "I have to say this stuff to get elected" card to the lefties, and the "I moved more toward the middle" one to the moderates.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138784 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 4:55 pm to
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Putin owns him 100% lock stock and barrel. Stupid phucker has held up natural gas pipeline being built to tap into what is coming from Azerbaijan, since 2012, and remained 100% dependent on pipelines from Russia going through Ukraine.

Putin's cucks will never get this
Putin cucks will never get this?

Really?

How "unburdened by history," are we?



Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:33 pm to
Until 2016 the GOP had three things that made up for their numerical disadvantage (there are more registered Democrats + independents who only vote for Democrats if they bother to vote than on the Republican side):

- The Electoral College advantage

- registered Republicans are more reliable voters

- The Republican coalition did not have internal squabbles

The Democrats have faced three disadvantages:

- The Electoral College disadvantage (they can win the National popular vote and still lose the Presidency, which has happened for every Republican Presidential win since 2000 except 2004)

- Registered Democrats are not the most reliable voters (especially the younger voting segment, and the less wealthy)

- The Democratic Coalition is made up of groups that don't get along and don't want more than one or two things in common

The last one is big and feeds the second one.

the Dem coalition is:

- Highly educated/high earning Urban and Suburban Professionals

- Labor Unions and blue-collar workers (the ones who haven't defected to the GOP)

- the activist progressive Left

with subsets of

- Minority Groups

- Professional Women

These groups don't get along, don't want all of the same things and are usually at odds with each other over something or other...

When a Democratic Presidential candidate runs on policy, they turn off one or more of these groups, who shrug and let them lose by not voting.

Unless there's one big giant unifying issue that eclipses everything else.

For Bill Clinton, it was the Economy.

For Barack Obama, it was the Economy (Americans were angry at the housing crisis and financial crash)

For Biden, it was Trump.


And luckily for the Democrats, Trump has created an environment where the Republican coalition's different groups are now at odds with one another... as demonstrated on this board every day by arguments among Republican voters and anger at RINOs, etc.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:56 pm to
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Putin cucks will never get this?

Really?


Trump was correct with Germany. Nordstream was Russia trying to cuck Germany by getting German money invested. There was never a real need for Nordstream. The Brotherhood Pipeline System along with Yamal had more capacity than Europe has ever imported from Russia.
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 5:58 pm
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3008 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:59 pm to
TANAP?
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:12 pm to
What is this turkstream? Will that keep Hungary supplied?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 7:17 pm to
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What is this turkstream? Will that keep Hungary supplied?


Trans Adriatic Pipeline System is from Azerbaijan via Georgia and Turkey. Kazakhstan has redirected its flow to this system as well.

Turkstream doesn't reach Hungary
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 7:23 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 7:52 pm to
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If this war turns hot between us and Russia, I demand that you warmongering LARPing pussies and your families go to the front lines to fight them. Y’all have been playing and expensing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian lives like they’re Monopoly money, so you will have no sympathy from me. Your families will get the same sympathy I have for the Ukrainians and Russians that have died in this conflict, but you’ve played around with these Eastern European lives with such sociopathy and carelessness that you all personally will get no sympathy from me.



OML, you haven't left us again, have you? I'd really like for you to expound a bit more on the basic philosophy behind this post. Can you elaborate on the details of the required actions presupposed by our political positions?

For example, if I oppose open borders, am I required to personally join the SCDL (Springfield Cats Defense League)? If I oppose government subsidies to farmers, am I required to grow my own food?

What other political positions, if I hold them, cause such necessary totalitarian consequences? And why do you hate my freedom of speech so much that you would even think of trying to punish me in such an evil way?
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17571 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:47 pm to
What wingnut echo chamber uses the word Larp? Just curious where he’s getting this
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 10:36 pm to
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What wingnut echo chamber uses the word Larp? Just curious where he’s getting this


Anti Ukraine politards use it all the time
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 1:11 am to
ISW Update Sept 13th

quote:

Key Takeaways:

The Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast has reportedly spoiled planned Russian offensive operations along the international border area that likely aimed to expand the area of active combat operations across a broader front in northeastern Ukraine.

Russian forces continue to counterattack throughout the Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast, but the Russian military will likely have to redeploy additional elements from elsewhere in the theater to Kursk Oblast to establish a force grouping capable of pursuing a sustained counteroffensive operation.

Russian forces appear to be testing more effective mechanized assault tactics west of Donetsk City, although Russian armored vehicles remain vulnerable to Ukrainian strike and drone capabilities.

Ukraine and Russia conducted their second prisoner of war (POW) exchange since the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast on September 13.

Russia continues efforts to strengthen strategic military ties with the People’s Republic of China (PRC), North Korea, and Iran to support its war effort in Ukraine.

Russian and Ukrainian forces recently advanced in Kursk Oblast amid continued Russian and Ukrainian assaults in the area on September 13.

Russian forces recently marginally advanced near Kupyansk, Chasiv Yar, Toretsk, and Pokrovsk.

Russian authorities continue attempts to coerce minorities and Ukrainian youth living in occupied Ukraine to sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense (MoD) to avoid conducting a wider mobilization.


Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55440 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 4:11 am to
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why the frick do we need ukraine in nato...frick them. they are as corrupt as russia

Is that supposed to be a disqualification? Where would that leave the US?
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