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Posted on 8/30/24 at 5:12 pm to SloaneRanger
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“Crash?” Didn’t the Ukes shoot it down with one of our Patriots? So we paid for the missile, the destroyed F16 and the training of the dead Uke pilot. Quite the trifecta.
No, no one knows yet why the plane crashed. Maybe it was friendly fire -- there was speculation published on that note. But maybe the pilot flew too close to one of the Shaheds or missiles that he was shooting down, and the explosion rocked the plane, because that's happened before. Maybe some maintenance was messed up.
We don't know, but Zelensky apparently does, and decided that the error was severe enough to fire his head of the air force.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:19 pm to texag7
You have been wishcasting for Russia to take Kyiv for over a year 
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:27 pm to SloaneRanger
You can spot a political talk poster in one post
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
I know it's from FB, but someone on a local FB page said 2 F-16s collided... which I have not heard elsewhere....
Regardless, it is a blow to the Ukrainians efforts and a bad look to say the least
Regardless, it is a blow to the Ukrainians efforts and a bad look to say the least
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:18 pm to VolSquatch
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Ukraine itself doesn't matter.
Of course they matter. They are people, after all. I hate to see any of the people involved suffering - Ukraine soldiers, Russian soldiers, civilians, it’s hell.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:55 pm to Penrod
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Of course they matter. They are people, after all. I hate to see any of the people involved suffering - Ukraine soldiers, Russian soldiers, civilians, it’s hell.
The people of Ukraine weren’t part of the statement, it’s Ukraine the entity.
You made an “I like puppies” statement. Example: it looks like you made a mistake at work, your boss goes off on you before realizing you didn’t do anything wrong. During the apology he says “sorry. I just want to make sure we do it right”. Yeah boss, everyone wants to do the job right. “I just like puppies”… so does everyone else.
But if you’re legitimately in favor of helping everyone out everywhere, more power to you.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:52 pm to VolSquatch
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You made an “I like puppies” statement.
I think that the human tragedy, due to the invasion by Russia, should be enough to warrant the US opposition. It isn’t enough, as evidenced by us standing by as Armenians are slaughtered in that same neighborhood, but it should be.
You said it’s just about the resources, and I won’t gainsay your values. But it’s not just about the resources to me.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:57 pm to Penrod
ISW Update Aug 30
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Key Takeaways:
European Union (EU) member state officials continue to express divergent views about Ukraine's ability to use European-provided weapons to strike military targets in Russia.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian and Russian forces made marginal gains in Kursk Oblast on August 30.
Russian state-owned polling agencies are recognizing limited upticks in Russian domestic discontent towards Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian authorities amid the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast.
Venezuela extradited Colombian citizens who fought as members of the Ukrainian military to Russia, demonstrating growing Russian-Venezuelan cooperation and Venezuelan support for Russia's war.
Hungary and Russia continue to deepen their bilateral cooperation.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky dismissed Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk as Ukrainian Air Force Commander on August 30.
Russian forces recently advanced near Svatove, Pokrovsk, and Donetsk City.
French outlet Le Monde reported on August 30 that about 100 mercenaries from the Russian "Bear Brigade" private military company departed Burkina Faso to join Russian forces fighting in Kursk Oblast.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 10:06 pm to Penrod
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You said it’s just about the resources, and I won’t gainsay your values. But it’s not just about the resources to me.
The resources point was the only example I was given to respond to when I said what happens in Ukraine won’t impact American citizens’ everyday lives.
I was actually saying the resources there don’t really matter all that much…. Or rather, who controls them doesn’t.
There is a difference between recognizing something as a tragedy and assessing whether or not that same something has an impact on the daily lives of Americans. The context is that we have several posters who act as if Ukraine is the center of the universe when it really isn’t even that relevant geopolitically matters when deciding on actions that cost us billions in taxpayer dollars and increase the risk of us ending up in the conflict ourselves.
Then there is the point of much contention that we haven’t exactly helped to stop this whole deal ourselves based on our actions, which I would somewhat agree with, but many don’t and that’s fine.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:28 pm to VolSquatch
Well the center is collapsing while reinforcements and equipment are up in the piney woods, beautiful strategy. I know its a trap.......
We give them the f-16s and they shoot them down with our Patriot missiles.
Rather than bitching that they cant use our weapons on Russian soil, zelensky should be kissing our arse that we have given them 100s of billions. Where would he be personally if we were not paying the civil servants and pension plans. They would have strung him up like Mussolini by now.
He needs to get off his arse and defend his own country rather than publicity stunts wasting equipment blowing up gas stations in Russia.
Since he and his puppet masters started this mess, the least he can do is quit now rather than waste more lives on both sides. Its over, its been over.
We give them the f-16s and they shoot them down with our Patriot missiles.
Rather than bitching that they cant use our weapons on Russian soil, zelensky should be kissing our arse that we have given them 100s of billions. Where would he be personally if we were not paying the civil servants and pension plans. They would have strung him up like Mussolini by now.
He needs to get off his arse and defend his own country rather than publicity stunts wasting equipment blowing up gas stations in Russia.
Since he and his puppet masters started this mess, the least he can do is quit now rather than waste more lives on both sides. Its over, its been over.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:39 am to trinidadtiger
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He needs to get off his arse and defend his own country rather than publicity stunts wasting equipment blowing up gas stations in Russia.
Any word on why the 2nd most powerful army in the world is still struggling vs a neighbor 1/4 their size?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:48 am to MoarKilometers
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Any word on why the 2nd most powerful army in the world is still struggling vs a neighbor 1/4 their size?
Because they suck. They both suck. They might fight over eastern Ukraine for 100 years.
No one here should give a frick. Only pity. Certainly not hundreds of billions of dollars for a cripple fight no one can win.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:03 am to StormyMcMan
Yeah, I don't think that Syrskyi is any hurry to try to take the Glushkovo district. He's fine letting Russia try to supply the area via pontoon bridge for a while.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:06 am to Tiger985
Guess what d bag nobody cares what you think we should care about. I’m fine with my tax dollars crippling and bleeding Russia even if the war is a longterm stalemate as long as Ukraine wants to continue fighting.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:08 am
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:13 am to OGtigerfan87
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Venezuela handed over Colombians who fought for Ukraine to Russia. This is the first time this has happened - Politico
The fighters, who served in the Foreign Legion in Ukraine, were arrested during a transfer in Caracas, Venezuela, as they were returning home. They face up to 15 years in prison in Russia.
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???????? How Americans are taking control of Armenian law enforcement
The Americans continue to invade the law enforcement sphere of Armenia in order to directly participate in the management of power structures.
??U.S. Ambassador Christina Quinn visited the training of the Armenian maritime patrol, which was conducted by U.S. law enforcement agencies.
??Quinn stated that Washington will further strengthen the law enforcement agencies of Armenia and assist in ensuring public safety.
??Ambassador Quinn also met with Prosecutor General of Armenia Anna Vardapetyan. The parties discussed cooperation in the field of legal assistance.
??Vardapetyan stated that the U.S. Embassy in Armenia is a reliable partner of the Prosecutor General's Office. At the same time, of course, none of them will be embarrassed by the obvious conflict of interest in such a formulation between the representation of a foreign government and the executive branch of Armenia.
??Earlier, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Uzra Zeya during her visit to Yerevan stated that the Americans had invested about $16 million in the formation of the Patrol Police in Armenia. The official then met with law enforcement officers and representatives of pro-Western NGOs and media - the main pillars of American influence in Armenian society.
??All this fully characterizes the loss of sovereignty of Armenia and the gradual transfer of all levers of control in the country into the hands of the Americans, who intend to firmly entrench themselves in the republic.
At the same time, for the Western protégé of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, this is not the worst scenario, given that anti-government protests may resume in the country. In this case, the support of the Americans and their controlled law enforcement officers will become a decisive factor in preserving Pashinyan's power.
#Armenia #USA
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Russian war correspondent Romanov, discussing the situation in the Kursk region, believes that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are unlikely to be expelled from this area before the war ends.
He highlights the significant presence of Ukrainian FPV drones, noting that their numbers surpass those in Robotyne and are comparable to the levels seen in Vovchans'k.
Romanov also points out that the contact line in the region is highly unstable, making it easy to encounter friendly fire when moving along it.
Finally, he adds that Ukrainians are using Wagner tactics of finding weak points in Russian defence and navigating larger Ukrainian forces to them.
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Switzerland may abandon 500 years of neutrality due to Russian threat - Politico
The Swiss Security Commission is calling for a review of the neutrality that the country has maintained since 1515.
The report notes that Switzerland has already become a target of hybrid warfare - disinformation, espionage and cyberattacks. Experts recommend preparing the entire society, not just the army, for a possible conflict.
Against the background of the growing threat from Russia, it is also suggested to strengthen ties with the EU and NATO, increase military spending and expand cooperation with the West. In addition, the commission is pushing for the lifting of a ban on arms re-exports that has previously strained relations with Ukraine's allies.
The findings have already been presented to Swiss Defense Minister Viola Amherd and will form the basis of the country's new security strategy for 2025.
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Poland is ready to open border crossings with Belarus in exchange for the release of political prisoners
#Poland continues to put pressure on the #Lukashenka regime to release Andrzej Poczobut and other political prisoners in #Belarus, Polish Sejm Speaker Szymon Holownia said at the GLOBSEC security conference, which began on August 30 in Prague.
"At the diplomatic level, we are doing everything we can to give Lukashenka a signal that he should release political prisoners," Holownia said. - That if he wants to open border crossings, if he wants to have transit corridors, he needs to cooperate with us on this issue. We are trying to show that if he does not cooperate, the consequences for him, for his regime and for his country will be really severe."
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:16 am to VolSquatch
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There is a difference between recognizing something as a tragedy and assessing whether or not that same something has an impact on the daily lives of Americans.
It won’t in the short run, just as Russia’s 2008 invasion of Georgia and 2014 invasion of Crimea didn’t. Unless you are of the opinion that the lack of opposition to these led to the current Ukraine war which became a bridge too far.
If we had let this Ukraine invasion go unopposed would Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan be next? That would have made Russia the world’s true energy superpower, and THAT would have affected Americans’ lives - A LOT!
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:56 am to VolSquatch
"Cool example from half a century ago"
A lack of interest in things that happened more than 50 years ago goes a long way towards explaining some of your takes.
A lack of interest in things that happened more than 50 years ago goes a long way towards explaining some of your takes.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 9:01 am to VolSquatch
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Cool example from half a century ago
This means you will never mention Nukes again.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 9:25 am to GOP_Tiger
He should have been fired anyway. His constant neglect of properly securing his aircraft on the ground was enough by itself. He let the Russians hit aircraft time and time again on planes just sitting in the dead wide open.
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