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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:34 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:34 pm to
It's just insane that a CNN camera crew can simply walk from Ukraine into Russia.

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Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:42 pm to
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Before having to deploy forces back to Russia, it was making big gains in Ukraine. Look at all the red on those maps. That is a year’s worth of fighting too.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:47 pm to


This guy says Kursk is a diversion and the main effort will be Crimea.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:48 pm to
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys. Taking out this bridge might cause a day or two delay for the Russians. As much as I like to laugh at the Russians, they do have engineers in their army. This is not like the Dnieper River in Kherson which was over a mile wide and too large to for Russia to span with a pontoon bridge. The Seim River is only 500 feet across according Google Maps so the Russians should be able to have a pontoon bridge up by this time tomorrow or Sunday at the latest.


The bridge was initially hit by HIMARS. Seems like a pontoon bridge could be taken out by HIMARS as often as necessary.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:55 pm to
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The bridge was initially hit by HIMARS. Seems like a pontoon bridge could be taken out by HIMARS as often as necessary.


I’m pretty sure that Russia has more pontoon segments than Ukraine has HIMARs projectiles.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:58 pm to
If logistics are as badly snarled as reports indicate, getting pontoon sections to the front might prove difficult. At any rate, combat engineers are a lot harder to come by than pontoon sections. Keep the area under close observation and when they start to concentrate, detonate an antipersonnel warhead over them. I have no doubt they can keep a bridgehead open if they try hard enough, but Ukraine can make them pay dearly for the effort.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 7:01 pm to
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I’m pretty sure that Russia has more pontoon segments than Ukraine has HIMARs projectiles.


Don't forget the drones. Swarms of them.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 7:03 pm to
I wonder the biggest question about getting the bridge up is do they have the engineers and equipment in the area. In Kherson, they were in a war zone and knew they needed the pontoon equipment and engineers in the area to fix the crossing.

Russia only has conscripts in the area.everything is in Ukraine near the front. Hopefully they don’t give equipment to these conscripts and tell them go build a bridge…..
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 7:06 pm to
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I’m pretty sure that Russia has more pontoon segments than Ukraine has HIMARs projectiles.


I remember when russia built several pontoon bridges across the Donets around Bilohorivka.

Battle of the Siverskyi Donets
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 7:13 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 7:20 pm to
Ukraine is hoping for a repeat of that.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 7:49 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

I’m pretty sure that Russia has more pontoon segments than Ukraine has HIMARs projectiles.


Heck, they might have put them on the black market.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:10 pm to
quote:


quote:
I’m pretty sure that Russia has more pontoon segments than Ukraine has HIMARs projectiles.


Don't forget the drones. Swarms of them.


Y'all, Ukraine was already going to take this area, with or without destroying the bridges. Ukraine has already been pushing steadily west along the big-arse area inside Russia that Ukraine controls*.

Blowing the bridges just makes it easier and faster, and Ukraine is in a race against time right now. They need every man possible to finish taking Kerenovo and then push north to cut Russia's main east-west supply lines. They also need every man possible to take Giri at the eastern end of the big-arse area inside Russia that Ukraine controls, so that they can comfortably put Sudzha out of FPV and artillery range and/or extend the big-arse area inside Russia that Ukraine controls south.



* Tiger985 requested that I stop using the word "salient," so i'm using simplified language for him. LINK
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:15 pm to
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Tiger985 requested that I stop using the word "salient," so i'm using simplified language for him.


LOL
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

I’m pretty sure that Russia has more pontoon segments than Ukraine has HIMARs projectiles. I remember when russia built several pontoon bridges across the Donets around Bilohorivka.


The Russians were able to eventually bridge the river and maintain the bridge IIRC.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:29 pm to



2019 documentary about what is happening in Russia by a Russian who grew up there. Centers on one town/village. The indoctrination and militarization of children. Really worth the watch. This is truly some North Korean stuff here. Strange but at the same time really scary.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:32 pm to
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Tiger985 requested that I stop using the word "salient,"


I suggest you use salient any time it is salient.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:38 pm to
ISW Update Aug 16th

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces continued to marginally advance southeast of Sudzha on August 16 amid continued Ukrainian operations in Kursk Oblast.

Ukrainian strikes reportedly destroyed two bridges in Glushkovo Raion, Kursk Oblast.

Ukrainian forces reportedly advanced further into western Belgorod Oblast during recent cross-border assaults than previously reported, but available open-source reporting and evidence indicate that Ukrainian forces no longer maintain positions within Belgorod Oblast as of August 16.

Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian forces continued to advance in Kursk Oblast and suggested that the incursion has forced Russia to more readily consider prisoner-of-war (POW) exchanges.

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Office (UN OHCHR) requested that Russian authorities allow UN representatives to visit Bryansk, Kursk, and Belgorod oblasts as part of a human rights monitoring mission.

US officials reiterated that US policy on Ukraine's ability to use US-provided weapons to conduct long-range strikes against Russian military targets has not changed amid the ongoing Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast.

The Kremlin reportedly fired former Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu’s advisor on information policy Andrei Ilnitsky possibly as part of an ongoing effort to shift control of Russia's wartime information policy from the Ministry of Defense (MoD) to the Russian Presidential Administration.

Russian forces recently advanced near Chasiv Yar, Toretsk, and Pokrovsk.

Russian milbloggers claimed on August 16 that Russian drone operators are limiting their use of Mavic drones amid claims that Russian commanders are forcing operators to either personally pay to replace drones lost outside of combat or risk being sent to an infantry assault unit as punishment for losing a drone.


Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30444 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

2019 documentary about what is happening in Russia by a Russian who grew up there.


Damn, it went all DEI/Woke at 11:25.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:43 pm to
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