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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:32 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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The crux was Ukraine stays out of NATO. Crimea stays in Russia. Occupied eastern oblasts remain independent of Ukraine. Ukraine receives security guarantees.
1. Putin rejected that deal in 2022. What in the world makes you think he will accept it now or next year?
2. The reason why he will not accept it is because he is paranoid and he does not trust the west or Ukraine. Putin fears that once Russian troops withdraw from Ukrainian soil (either prewar international border or a new negotiated international border) Zelensky will break the deal and apply to NATO with NATO extending full protection to Ukraine as a nonmember during the ascension process (just like it did with Sweden and Finland). If that happens and Russia wanted to resume the war with Ukraine it would have to fight Ukraine and NATO. That is why Putin has called for Zelensky to step aside and Russia or Belarus to oversee elections for the next Ukrainian government before he will agree to a peace deal.
3. Zelensky, Harris, and Trump have all said that Russia or Belarus overseeing elections in Ukraine is unacceptable. So there will be no peace deal as long as Putin is in power unless Russia or Ukraine are so badily defeated on the battlefield that Putin or Zelensky is forced to change his position.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 4:33 pm
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:46 pm to WeeWee
quote:Goodness that's dense.
Putin rejected that deal in 2022.
First it is false, even according to the article you cite.
Second, the cited discussion occurred in Feb when Putin expected to be strolling down Khreshchatyk St in Kyiv in a couple of weeks.
Third, the pretext of that negotiation was Ukraine would simply give up NATO aspirations, then the belligerent parties would kiss and make up.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:46 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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"Amateurs talk Tactics - Professionals talk Logistics"
This post is the biggest news of the day. If in fact Russian rail logistics are as snarled as the sources indicate, the implications go far beyond the Kursk operation.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:52 pm to WeeWee
quote:You say that as if such an attitude would be unwarranted. Again, you're either trolling or uninformed. In 2022, Merkel admitted the basis for Putin's concern. The west was duplicitous throughout the Minsk dialogue.
he does not trust the west or Ukraine.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:54 pm to Jim Rockford
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This post is the biggest news of the day. If in fact Russian rail logistics are as snarled as the sources indicate, the implications go far beyond the Kursk operation.
Russia is having to use helos to supply troops in Kursk. Slowing down to just look for a drop zone makes them easier prey for drone attack
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:01 pm to LSUPilot07
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I doubt they used the F-16 to drop the JDAM so it was likely a Mig-29 or Su-27.
Perhaps coincidentally, but perhaps not, it was reported that Ukraine lost another Mig-29 today.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:07 pm to cypher
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If tweet fails to load, click here. I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys. Taking out this bridge might cause a day or two delay for the Russians. As much as I like to laugh at the Russians, they do have engineers in their army. This is not like the Dnieper River in Kherson which was over a mile wide and too large to for Russia to span with a pontoon bridge. The Seim River is only 500 feet across according Google Maps so the Russians should be able to have a pontoon bridge up by this time tomorrow or Sunday at the latest.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:16 pm to WeeWee
quote:I don't know the lay of the land but from satellite maps that area looks like wooded wetlands thus more than a river needs to crossed.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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Putin rejected that deal in 2022.
Goodness that's dense.
The only thing that is dense is your head.
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First it is false, even according to the article you cite.
Da fuq?
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Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, opens new tab, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
The Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin , opens new tabthat he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine, opens new tab, according to these sources. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.
Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.
But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.
1. How does my source say that it is false?
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Second, the cited discussion occurred in Feb when Putin expected to be strolling down Khreshchatyk St in Kyiv in a couple of weeks.
Yet here the world is 2+ years later and Putin
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Third, the pretext of that negotiation was Ukraine would simply give up NATO aspirations, then the belligerent parties would kiss and make up.
So if Putin would not make peace in 2022, why would he make peace for less than that in 2025? Putin respects Trump more than he respects Biden or Harris but he does not respect him or fear him that much.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
I believe that was the one that got hit by an Iskander out in the open yet again. Ukraine has got to start building hardened shelters for their Migs and even more fortified bunker shelters for the F-16. No doubt Ukraine lost a Mig-29 though, I just hope the pilot wasn’t in it. Pilots are more precious than planes. It’s time to give Ukraine the rest of Poland’s Mig-29s to stay in the fight until enough F-16s and trained crews arrive. They have enough F-16s to protect their airspace without the Migs until their order of F-35s start arriving. I believe Poland still has about a dozen airworthy Mig-29s. That would be an enormous help to replenish Ukraine’s losses.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:21 pm to CitizenK
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys.
I don't know the lay of the land but from satellite maps that area looks like wooded wetlands thus more than a river needs to crossed.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
I included the wooded land in my measurement on Google. From the end of the side road Ultisia Lenima in Glushkovo to the dirt road on the other side of the river is 693 feet with approximately 500 feet of it being over water. I am sure the Russians can find some bulldozers to clear the banks and find enough timber to make some cordurory roads leading to the pontoon bridge.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:27 pm to WeeWee
Are the Russian military bridge engineers drone and bullet proof?
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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he does not trust the west or Ukraine.
You say that as if such an attitude would be unwarranted.
No I am simply stating facts. Putin does not trust the governments of the US, the UK, France, Germany, and the other countries that make up NATO. He does not trust Zelensky. Any attitude is inferred on your part.
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Again, you're either trolling or uninformed.
Can you read? All I said was that Putin does not trust the west or Ukraine. Do you think that is false?
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:32 pm to Lee B
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Are the Russian military bridge engineers drone and bullet proof?
No but they can rebuild bridges after they have been taken out. They rebuilt the rail bridge between Kherson oblast and Crimea near Syvash after it has been destroyed multiple times. They can rebuild a damaged or destroyed pontoon bridge after the attack(s) are over.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:35 pm to WeeWee
quote:So you say that while knowing the Russian attitude is warranted?
You say that as if such an attitude would be unwarranted.
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No
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:39 pm to WeeWee
quote:Da fuq, indeed. Read the post you responded to. Read your article. Address the Eastern Oblasts in the comparison.
Da fuq?
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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You say that as if such an attitude would be unwarranted.
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No
So you say that while knowing the Russian attitude is warranted?
Again you do not know how to read. I said Putin does not trust the west or Ukraine. You inferred the attitude part.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
You are the kind of narcissistic egomaniacs that give us doctors a bad rep.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:05 pm to WeeWee
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Again you do not know how to read.
Dude.
The premise was Putin's attitude of mistrust was WARRANTED d/t western self-ADMITTED duplicity.
You said "no".
Now you register the audacious claim that I "do not know how to read"?
Seriously?
You'd do better returning to boasts here about hitting up East European poor girls on tinder. Good Lord.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:24 pm to WeeWee
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys. Taking out this bridge might cause a day or two delay for the Russians. As much as I like to laugh at the Russians, they do have engineers in their army. This is not like the Dnieper River in Kherson which was over a mile wide and too large to for Russia to span with a pontoon bridge. The Seim River is only 500 feet across according Google Maps so the Russians should be able to have a pontoon bridge up by this time tomorrow or Sunday at the latest.
Russia will absolutely put up a pontoon Bridge. Russia is not going to end up with most of its men and equipment trapped on the south side of the river. The importance of destroying the bridge is that it means that Russia will not have stable logistics to supply troops on the south side of the river. It severely damages their ability to hold that area and creates significant risks for them if they try to.
And Ukrainian forces are rapidly approaching that area. That's why Ukraine was able to hit it with a glide bomb. Even a day's delay could be very problematic for Russian troops there.
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