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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/8/24 at 12:19 pm to notiger1997
Posted on 6/8/24 at 12:19 pm to notiger1997
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Nope. Would have been sitting in a storage yard
That’s kind of what I thought.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 12:23 pm to doubleb
I just read through a politard thread. Someone really believes Russia hasn’t used their “good” stuff yet and is saving it. Russia is also purposefully not even using their air force that much on Ukraine because they don’t need to. LOL
Posted on 6/8/24 at 12:40 pm to notiger1997
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I just read through a politard thread. Someone really believes Russia hasn’t used their “good” stuff yet and is saving it. Russia is also purposefully not even using their air force that much on Ukraine because they don’t need to. LOL
And LSU saved their best pitchers for the Super Regionals?
This post was edited on 6/8/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/8/24 at 12:57 pm to texag7
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$154,000,000 million dollar loss
$154 trillion seems high.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 2:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Yes, those planes are inferior to F-16s, but Ukraine needs more volume of planes in the air.
It's a cooperative effort. Mirages have zero air to ground role. And limited dog fighting utility. They will be used exclusively for CAP missions in western Ukraine to shoot down Russian cruise missiles.
That will free up F-16 for complex missions over contested air space. Such as glide bomb attacks on Russian troops, AMRAAM, and BVR air to air engagements.
It's a waste to have valuable F-16s protecting power plants
Posted on 6/8/24 at 2:56 pm to No Colors
Window for Russian breakthrough on battlefield narrowing – Bloomberg
KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO — Saturday, 8 June 2024, 19:57 - Ukrainska Pravda
Bloomberg has noted that Russian forces only have limited gains on the battlefield in Ukraine in recent months, and they are beginning to lose ground.
Source: Bloomberg in an article titled Putin Is Running Out of Time to Achieve Breakthrough in Ukraine
Details: Bloomberg reported that Ukraine had managed to stop the Russian offensive when the flow of weapons from its partners began.
Quote: "With Kyiv now taking delivery of billions of dollars in fresh arms from its US and European allies, the window for a Russian breakthrough is narrowing even as it continues to fire missiles and drones at Ukrainian cities including energy infrastructure.
A Russian attempt to open a new front in Ukraine’s northeast Kharkiv region already appears bogged down without achieving Putin’s goal of creating a buffer zone along the border."
More details: Bloomberg further noted that Russian forces have made little headway since capturing the strategically important city of Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast in February at a price of enormous casualties over months of fighting. They have been trying to capture the critical town of Chasiv Yar in Donetsk Oblast for several weeks.
The news agency quotes Ruslan Pukhov, Head of the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, as saying that Russia's strategy of depleting Ukraine's forces is "very expensive and bloody for the Russian army itself". "It can lead to excessive exhaustion of forces on the Russian side, which in turn, gives Ukrainians a chance to counter attack," he believes.
"The prospects of Russia achieving victory this year have greatly reduced" due to the resumption of arms supplies and aid to Ukraine, as reported by Bloomberg, quoting Ben Barry, a Senior Fellow for Land Warfare at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
"Russia might have the largest number of soldiers, but a lot of their first rate armoured vehicles have been destroyed," and rebuilding its Armed Forces to the levels of 2022 will take years, he added.
KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO — Saturday, 8 June 2024, 19:57 - Ukrainska Pravda
Bloomberg has noted that Russian forces only have limited gains on the battlefield in Ukraine in recent months, and they are beginning to lose ground.
Source: Bloomberg in an article titled Putin Is Running Out of Time to Achieve Breakthrough in Ukraine
Details: Bloomberg reported that Ukraine had managed to stop the Russian offensive when the flow of weapons from its partners began.
Quote: "With Kyiv now taking delivery of billions of dollars in fresh arms from its US and European allies, the window for a Russian breakthrough is narrowing even as it continues to fire missiles and drones at Ukrainian cities including energy infrastructure.
A Russian attempt to open a new front in Ukraine’s northeast Kharkiv region already appears bogged down without achieving Putin’s goal of creating a buffer zone along the border."
More details: Bloomberg further noted that Russian forces have made little headway since capturing the strategically important city of Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast in February at a price of enormous casualties over months of fighting. They have been trying to capture the critical town of Chasiv Yar in Donetsk Oblast for several weeks.
The news agency quotes Ruslan Pukhov, Head of the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, as saying that Russia's strategy of depleting Ukraine's forces is "very expensive and bloody for the Russian army itself". "It can lead to excessive exhaustion of forces on the Russian side, which in turn, gives Ukrainians a chance to counter attack," he believes.
"The prospects of Russia achieving victory this year have greatly reduced" due to the resumption of arms supplies and aid to Ukraine, as reported by Bloomberg, quoting Ben Barry, a Senior Fellow for Land Warfare at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
"Russia might have the largest number of soldiers, but a lot of their first rate armoured vehicles have been destroyed," and rebuilding its Armed Forces to the levels of 2022 will take years, he added.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 2:57 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Agreed. Putin has all his chips on a Trump victory in November. Which is another big mistake. In spite of a viewpoint formed from the KGB realpolitik, the cultural divide still eludes him. That same viewpoint of Western weakness that led him into this war is convincing him that Trump will win. It's not denial (yet), it's still blindness formed from arrogance.
Again, this doesn't make any sense. Russia cannot indefinitely continue to "squeeze" Ukraine with an ongoing, gradual offensive -- they will burn through their remaining stocks of artillery, IFVs, and tanks. The only way that I can make sense of it is a political decision related to the US presidential election.
Bottom line: the Russians just don't get it. Fast or slow, fighting for time or space, they will continue losing this war. They were doomed from the start.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:05 pm to texag7
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$11,000,000 x 14 tanks
$154,000,000 million dollar loss
Try to sell a pickup built between 1986 and 1992 the list price of $4.6 million AFTER its Chobham armor is removed. I wonder what the cost to transport them back from Germany to our Sierra Depot storage would be? I'm going to guess more than the resale price.
These are OLD tanks that were retired decades ago.
Are you aware that it costs the government to sell surplus HUMVEES from 20 years ago than it costs them to remove any special stuff from them?
Dude, you are why Aggie jokes are everywhere for decades and why they stick.
This post was edited on 6/8/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:07 pm to SirWinston
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It's almost if Putin is a rational player
Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:12 pm to notiger1997
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I just read through a politard thread
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notiger1997
Do you not care about your IQ points?
Posted on 6/8/24 at 4:47 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
It sure looks like Russia is retreating on its Kharkiv axis. Those Chechen Akmat troops are going to have a field day shooting retreating Russian soldiers.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 4:59 pm to notiger1997
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Someone really believes Russia hasn’t used their “good” stuff yet and is saving it. Russia is also purposefully not even using their air force that much on Ukraine because they don’t need to. LOL
Well that’s factually true
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
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3) The American public is still very much in favor of Ukraine, and abandoning it would be unpopular.
Last polls I saw had it 50-50 at best
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:25 pm to Lee B
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think he had to be really pushed with "this is going to hurt you and us in the election..." Of course, I really do not trust Trump... not with anything to do with Russia and Putin, so I can't overcome that... I don't trust Orban, either. Better to be pleasantly surprised to be wrong than disappointed.
I think it was more “the people who like you won’t refuse to vote for you over the Ukraine issue, but those on the fence might”. And that Tracks with polling data we have. I don’t think it tells you either way what he plans to do should he win
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:26 pm to texag7
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Well that’s factually true
LOL
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:29 pm to texag7
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that’s factually true
OK, so what "good" stuff hasn't Russia put on the battle field
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:58 pm to StormyMcMan
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OK, so what "good" stuff hasn't Russia put on the battle field
Nukes
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:00 pm to No Colors
Ukraine needs to hire some experienced F16 pilots and maintenance contractors from the extensive pool that's out there.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:35 pm to No Colors
We started this war. The United States.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:36 pm to doubleb
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OK, so what "good" stuff hasn't Russia put on the battle field
Nukes
WMDs of any sort are the only legitimate angle to argue they haven't put their good stuff into the fight.
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