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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:24 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:24 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You either agree or don't.
I agree with you domestically in the US. I disagree with you regarding Russian assets.
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:26 pm to Turbeauxdog
I've been downvoted in this thread criticizing civil asset forfeiture.
That's how illiberal and grotesque the participants are in this absolute deluge of trash.
You're all as bad as the regressives.
That's how illiberal and grotesque the participants are in this absolute deluge of trash.
You're all as bad as the regressives.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:26 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Money overseas in the "private" sector will be from the Oligarchs.
Derp.
So individuals own it or not?
Putin owns everything in Russia... Kim owns everything in North Korea. None of it is their names, of course.
So an individual does ultimately own it, Putin, which makes it fair to seize.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:50 pm to Lee B
I disagree with civil asset forfeiture in the USA because we are a Nation of Laws and individuals have rights, here.
Russia is not a nation of Laws and no individuals have rights, there.
I'm not going to treat their dictator better than he treats his own people or anybody else.
Honestly, I did struggle with the initial seizure of the Oligarchs' assets because there's two sets of Oligarchs from different eras:
Yeltzin's Oligarchs, who were higher-ups in the Soviet Party when it collapsed and just took over whatever industries or facilities they had been in charge of, "buying" them from the state for ridiculously low amounts and becoming instant multi-millionaires or billionaires...
Putin's Oligarchs, who were his chosen circle and mostly former KGB agents or Russian underworld crime figures...
But ultimately, all of them only have what Putin allows them to have, and they have to hand it over when he demands it... so same difference.
Russia is not a nation of Laws and no individuals have rights, there.
I'm not going to treat their dictator better than he treats his own people or anybody else.
Honestly, I did struggle with the initial seizure of the Oligarchs' assets because there's two sets of Oligarchs from different eras:
Yeltzin's Oligarchs, who were higher-ups in the Soviet Party when it collapsed and just took over whatever industries or facilities they had been in charge of, "buying" them from the state for ridiculously low amounts and becoming instant multi-millionaires or billionaires...
Putin's Oligarchs, who were his chosen circle and mostly former KGB agents or Russian underworld crime figures...
But ultimately, all of them only have what Putin allows them to have, and they have to hand it over when he demands it... so same difference.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:53 pm to StormyMcMan
Very interesting discussion on Ward Carroll.
1. The hardest part about training Ukrainian pilots is they are used to old Soviet tactics and the F-16 is built for different tactics. Interesting that the top former East European pilots when switching to F-16's failed testing more about their developed instincts taking over under pressure than flying skills.
2. All the new munitions plants are coming online this year so ammo shortages shouldn't be an issue for Ukraine after end of summer.
3. Ukraine hasn't been able to train new recruits due ammo/weapons shortages.
4. Russia also has issues but with old old equipment being refurbished and sent to the front with lots of cannibalization to stay armed.
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1. The hardest part about training Ukrainian pilots is they are used to old Soviet tactics and the F-16 is built for different tactics. Interesting that the top former East European pilots when switching to F-16's failed testing more about their developed instincts taking over under pressure than flying skills.
2. All the new munitions plants are coming online this year so ammo shortages shouldn't be an issue for Ukraine after end of summer.
3. Ukraine hasn't been able to train new recruits due ammo/weapons shortages.
4. Russia also has issues but with old old equipment being refurbished and sent to the front with lots of cannibalization to stay armed.
LINK
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:57 pm to Lee B
But I will share with you this disturbing historical bit about our country:
Smithsonian:The U.S. Confiscated Half a Billion Dollars in Private Property DUring WWI
America's home front was the site of internment, deportation, and vast property seizure
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In Hot Springs, North Carolina, residents of an alien internment camp active from 1917 to 1918 built an authentic German village. They used tobacco tins to construct the church at the end of the lane.
Smithsonian:The U.S. Confiscated Half a Billion Dollars in Private Property DUring WWI
America's home front was the site of internment, deportation, and vast property seizure
In Hot Springs, North Carolina, residents of an alien internment camp active from 1917 to 1918 built an authentic German village. They used tobacco tins to construct the church at the end of the lane.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 1:30 am to StormyMcMan
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Putin indirectly indicated that Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory with Western-provided weapons do not cross a supposed Russian "red line" that would result in Russian nuclear escalation.
Well well well... another Nuclear escalation Red Line that was crossed and...
Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:27 am to Lee B
It's almost if Putin is a rational player who could be negotiated with instead of "muh Hitler".
Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:30 am to Lee B
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But ultimately, all of them only have what Putin allows them to have, and they have to hand it over when he demands it... so same difference
Luck those Authoritarian boots that you pretend to despise if the context is only slightly different.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 4:29 am to GOP_Tiger
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This tendency to misread how serious the French can get in terms of playing escalation games once they think their and the EU's prestige and credibility are at stake is something Putin shares with many right wing figures in the US and UK.
The French are contrary. They famously didn't buy the WMD bullshite and stayed out of Iraq, but now are by far the most aggressive Western government towards the Russians.
Macron is most notably pushing the US, UK and Germany to do more by constantly crossing their self-imposed red lines. Cesear artillery, SCALP cruise missiles (and allowed on Russian territory), Mirage fighters and now French troops in Ukraine are all steps designed to push the Americans, Brits and Germans to escalate their support.
When he was the UK's Defense Minister, Ben Wallace took on this role, famously sending the Storm Shadow cruise missiles early in the war. Macron has now picked up this mantle. The cheese eaters are now telling the Western allies to 'hold my beer' in this fight.
Someone needs to. Thank Goodness for the French.
This post was edited on 6/8/24 at 8:12 am
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:17 am to SirWinston
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It's almost if Putin is a rational player who could be negotiated with instead of "muh Hitler".
It's so pathetic to see you crying in this thread about how the West refuses to negotiate with Putin.
Neither side is negotiating. It takes two. Putin isn't negotiating. And the west isn't negotiating because Putin isn't a credible actor.
And it's so pathetic to see you defending Putin and talking about how much you hate war.
This is Putin's war. He started it. And you defend the Fine Christian Lads of his meat wave armies who fire tens of thousands of artillery rounds per day, flatten civilian houses, and then creep forward slaughtering hundreds of men per kilometer gained.
All so that Putin's oligarchs can claim another salt line or wrecked steel mill.
And you wonder why your brain doesn't work right.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:24 am to Turbeauxdog
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I've been downvoted in this thread criticizing civil asset forfeiture.
That's how illiberal and grotesque the participants are in this absolute deluge of trash.
You're all as bad as the regressives.
I downvoted both you and Lee B for spamming this thread with unrelated discussion. This isn't the Poliboard. Take your discussions about civil asset forfeiture over there, for crying out loud.
And then get over your pathetic victim complex.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:47 am to GOP_Tiger
Have an upvote sir. shite is out of control
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:47 am to ticklechain
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 08 June 2024
Analysis of imagery has identified the installation of eight barges on the southern side of the Kerch Bridge. Installation had begun by 10 May 24 and was completed by 22 May 24.
These barges were placed by Russian forces in an attempt to defend the bridge and shipping channel, reducing the angles of approach for Ukrainian Unmanned Surface Vehicles (USV).
Previously installed barriers have been damaged by storms, reducing their effectiveness.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 08 June 2024
Analysis of imagery has identified the installation of eight barges on the southern side of the Kerch Bridge. Installation had begun by 10 May 24 and was completed by 22 May 24.
These barges were placed by Russian forces in an attempt to defend the bridge and shipping channel, reducing the angles of approach for Ukrainian Unmanned Surface Vehicles (USV).
Previously installed barriers have been damaged by storms, reducing their effectiveness.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:56 am to cypher
First drone attack on airbase in Mozdok is special operation by Ukraine's Defence Intelligence – UP source in DIU
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Saturday, 8 June 2024, 12:12
The 8 June drone attack on an airbase in Russia's North Ossetia, from which the planes used to attack Ukraine usually take off, was a special operation by Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU).
Source: Ukrainska Pravda source in DIU
Quote: "This has been the work of DIU and the successful use of improved domestic assets."
Details: The source confirmed that this is the first attack on the airbase in Mozdok and added that the zone of destruction on the territory of the aggressor state is expanding, and that the assets mentioned earlier were Ukrainian ones.
Quote: "Enemy military facilities that are involved in Russia's genocidal war against Ukrainians should not be safe."
For reference: MiG-31 and Tu aircraft used to attack Ukraine often take off from the Mozdok airbase.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Saturday, 8 June 2024, 12:12
The 8 June drone attack on an airbase in Russia's North Ossetia, from which the planes used to attack Ukraine usually take off, was a special operation by Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU).
Source: Ukrainska Pravda source in DIU
Quote: "This has been the work of DIU and the successful use of improved domestic assets."
Details: The source confirmed that this is the first attack on the airbase in Mozdok and added that the zone of destruction on the territory of the aggressor state is expanding, and that the assets mentioned earlier were Ukrainian ones.
Quote: "Enemy military facilities that are involved in Russia's genocidal war against Ukrainians should not be safe."
For reference: MiG-31 and Tu aircraft used to attack Ukraine often take off from the Mozdok airbase.
Ukrainska Pravda
This post was edited on 6/8/24 at 6:58 am
Posted on 6/8/24 at 8:32 am to cypher
Following up on yesterday's post about daily vehicle losses as counted by Andrew Perpetua, I thought it would be useful to also see today's tally. This one is considerably skewed more than usual toward Russian losses. A year ago, when Ukraine was beginning its offensive, these lists often showed more Ukrainian losses than Russian ones.
In the grand scheme of the war, it really doesn't matter if Ukraine downs a Russian jet, because Russia is still making jets considerably faster than it is losing them in Ukraine. A destroyed jet simply means that Russia has to replace it with a new one to keep the VKS at the same strength, instead of selling that new jet to a country like India.
But the artillery pieces, IFVs, and tanks are all items that Russia is losing much, much faster than it can replace them. As I said, we should expect to start seeing critical shortages in these areas sometime in the next 6-9 months. So any day with losses of 9 artillery pieces, 17 tanks, 22 IFVs, and 8 APCs is just nuts.
I really don't understand what the Russian military leadership is thinking right now.
The current Russian offensive made sense months ago, when there was hope that the US would abandon Ukraine, and they could eventually overrun Ukrainian positions. But now that US weapons and shells are flooding into Ukraine? Russian forces aren't going to achieve any kind of strategic breakthrough in this offensive, and they are losing ridiculous numbers of things that they cannot afford to lose ridiculous numbers of. I really don't get it. The (bad) logic behind the decision to continue with this must be political in some way.
In the grand scheme of the war, it really doesn't matter if Ukraine downs a Russian jet, because Russia is still making jets considerably faster than it is losing them in Ukraine. A destroyed jet simply means that Russia has to replace it with a new one to keep the VKS at the same strength, instead of selling that new jet to a country like India.
But the artillery pieces, IFVs, and tanks are all items that Russia is losing much, much faster than it can replace them. As I said, we should expect to start seeing critical shortages in these areas sometime in the next 6-9 months. So any day with losses of 9 artillery pieces, 17 tanks, 22 IFVs, and 8 APCs is just nuts.
I really don't understand what the Russian military leadership is thinking right now.
The current Russian offensive made sense months ago, when there was hope that the US would abandon Ukraine, and they could eventually overrun Ukrainian positions. But now that US weapons and shells are flooding into Ukraine? Russian forces aren't going to achieve any kind of strategic breakthrough in this offensive, and they are losing ridiculous numbers of things that they cannot afford to lose ridiculous numbers of. I really don't get it. The (bad) logic behind the decision to continue with this must be political in some way.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 8:36 am to cypher
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First drone attack on airbase in Mozdok is special operation by Ukraine's Defence Intelligence – UP source in DIU
quote:
For reference: MiG-31 and Tu aircraft used to attack Ukraine often take off from the Mozdok airbase.
We can't see from this view whether the drone hit a plane or not.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/8/24 at 8:53 am to GOP_Tiger
Wonder what the allah snack bar was at the end?
Posted on 6/8/24 at 8:59 am to GOP_Tiger
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In the grand scheme of the war, it really doesn't matter if Ukraine downs a Russian jet, because Russia is still making jets considerably faster than it is losing them in Ukraine.
How about the pilots? How fast are are they turning out experienced ones?
Posted on 6/8/24 at 9:12 am to GOP_Tiger
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unrelated discussion
Wrong. You've brought up and gleefully supported stealing peoples money in this thread many times.
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