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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/9/24 at 8:07 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 8:07 am to
Politico:

Ukraine frustrated with US over F-16 pilot training


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Ukrainian officials are pressing the U.S. and other countries to ramp up their F-16 pilot training, saying the current pipeline isn’t producing enough aviators to fly the jets that will be soon donated to Kyiv.

Ukraine says it has 30 pilots who are eligible to start training in the U.S. immediately. Yet the Biden administration has told Kyiv it lacks the school seats in its Arizona-based program to accept more than 12 pilot trainees at a time, according to three people with direct knowledge of the request. Two other facilities in Denmark and Romania have a similar issue with available training spots.

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Ukrainians argue that the ability to fly more F-16s will help Kyiv push back Russian forces from the frontlines in places such as Kharkiv, where Moscow has advanced in recent weeks. Yet the U.S. has said it does not expect the jets to be a game-changer on the battlefield.

This story is based on interviews with eight former and current U.S., Ukrainian and European officials and lawmakers, many of whom were granted anonymity to speak about sensitive diplomatic conversations.

In a series of meetings and calls over the last several weeks, Ukraine has officially requested the U.S. train the additional pilots at Morris Air National Guard base in Tucson, Arizona. Lawmakers on Capitol Hill, including Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) and Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio), the leaders of the House Intelligence Committee, have also pressed the administration to approve the additional training. The pair, along with several other lawmakers, wrote the Pentagon a letter last month asking the administration to prioritize the issue.

But the U.S. has told the Ukrainian military that in addition to limited space, other countries are in line for F-16 training at the base and that it cannot break its commitments to those nations.

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The National Guard is planning to train 12 Ukrainian pilots total by the end of September at the Tucson location, according to Air Force spokesperson Laurel Falls. Aside from Arizona, the training facility in Denmark also has limited space and is preparing to shutter in November. A third program, which is located in Romania and will be run by contractors, is not yet up and running.
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Another eight Ukrainian pilots are being trained in Denmark, according to a former DOD official involved in the program. But that facility is set to close next year and will no longer participate in the training, as Denmark’s Air Force transitions to the stealthy F-35.
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A total of 20 Ukrainian F-16 pilots are expected to graduate by the end of this year — half of the 40 needed to operate a full squadron of 20 jets, according to the former DOD official. Eight new pilots are scheduled to begin training in Romania, and eight more will soon arrive in Tucson, the former official said. The facility in Denmark will not accept any additional pilots.
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Ukrainians plan to use the jets to knock down Russian cruise and ballistic missiles fired toward Ukrainian infrastructure and civilian targets.

Those missions require precise air-to-air missiles that belong to the U.S. and dozens of NATO allies. Many of those countries are hesitant to part with their expensive weapons, one NATO official said.

The production capacity for the AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air missile, made by RTX, has increased from around 500-800 per year to over 1,000, company officials said last year, in order to keep with demand. Ukraine has already used an older version of the missile with the ground-based National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System to hit Russian missiles.

But the worry from capitals is that the new requests from Kyiv could begin to put a strain on countries’ stocks, and talks among alliance members are looking at who might be able to part with their missiles, and how many, and when, the official said.




Again, this is why the French commitment to send Mirage jets and train Ukrainian pilots is so critical. Ukraine needs to get more jets in the air.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 8:47 am to
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Again, this is why the French commitment to send Mirage jets and train Ukrainian pilots is so critical. Ukraine needs to get more jets in the air.


More likely to accomplish this without any experience in holdover Russian tactics which increases probability of failure by quite a bit if already experienced
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 8:53 am to
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Ukrainian officials are pressing the U.S. and other countries to ramp up their F-16 pilot training, saying the current pipeline isn’t producing enough aviators to fly the jets that will be soon donated to Kyiv.


Can Dementia Joe and Affirmative Action Austin do anything right?

We have hit rock bottom. Disgraceful.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:11 am to
There is a very large pool of highly experience F16 pilots and maintenance personnel. Ukraine should hire some of what they need to fly, train and maintain. They don't need anyone's permission to do that.

The only reason that a super accelerated program is not in place is either lack of will, incompetence or both.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 10:40 am
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:38 am to
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Thank you for your continued great contributions to this thread. Riveting deep thoughts that can't be found anywhere else.


This circus of trash merits no more.
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:46 am to
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This circus of trash merits no more.


Then leave
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:53 am to
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Russian actors are using video appeals from Russian servicemen to refute reports of high Russian losses in northern Kharkiv Oblast.


We see them here all the time.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 1:20 pm to
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Then leave


Nah. I'll swing by whenever I feel like it.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 1:24 pm to
Adam kinzinger should go
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 1:26 pm to
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Again, this is why the French commitment to send Mirage jets and train Ukrainian pilots is so critical. Ukraine needs to get more jets in the air.


OMG I know. It sounds like you are losing sleep over thus just like Coeur De Tigre. Hang in there, mate.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 3:37 pm to
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Continuous small explosions signify some sort of ammo depot in Belgorod fire.
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More has developed on this story:

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Ukrainian warplane fires weapon at target inside Russia for first time – Sky News The source said that the direct hit was in the Belgorod region of Russia, preliminarily in an ammunition depot. "Whilst damage assessment is still occurring, it is confirmed as a direct hit.

This is the first UAF air-delivered munition delivered against a target within Russia."
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Ok, I just looked out of my window and there is no nuclear war breaking out. No surprise that.
Posted by No Colors
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 3:44 pm to
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there is no nuclear war breaking out.


That's only because Putin is such a strong, faithful actor leading a righteous Christian campaign against Jews, comedians, actors, soccer moms, bus drivers, carpenters, factory workers, and other such neo Nazis as prop up the corrupt and illegitimate faux government in Kiev.

But there are limits to his mercy.

We're just lucky we haven't tested them yet.

And: pretty soon he's really going to start trying. Everything up until now has just been a feint
Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 3:49 pm to
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Whilst


It's been a while.
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:39 pm to
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We started this war. The United States.
Well, dang. The whole time I thought it was that former KGB Communist dictator who is the leader of the invasion forces that started the war.
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:16 pm to
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Ukrainian warplane fires weapon at target inside Russia for first time




Any chance this could have been a F-16?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:56 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:14 pm to
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Russian troops were shocked to discover Ukrainian soldiers chained up in the trenches by their commanders like animals.


could this just be some weirdo Kadyrov PR stunt?
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 9:03 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:39 pm to
Is Big Serge suddenly valid?
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:41 pm to
I got an update for yall

I just looked at the latest maps...


Yeah, Ukraine is still losing but yall keep up the sunshine pumping

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