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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:44 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
54329 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:44 am to
MSM hasn't done us any favors saying for two years that Ukraine is winning at every turn while this thing drags on. That said, it appears we are at a scary point where each side is staggered and trying to deliver a haymaker.
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“Zelensky wants a conflict between the United States and Russia to begin,” American television The Hill.

But why should Russia suddenly worry about this? Ukraine has been attempting to strike Russian targets for a while now without much success. Well, because now Ukraine is having serious success. I previously reported on the Russian S-400’s troubles against the ATACMS missile: the problems have gotten much worse for Russia. S-400s are now being regularly taken out to pasture by the barely stoppable ATACMS.

Another battery was just decimated yesterday in Donetsk with a second claimed one being hit in Alushta, Crimea again, though there’s no definitive evidence on that yet. Though I should note I’m not sure it’s proven the below is an S-400, as some suggest it could have been an S-300/350 series based on the destroyed radar.

But here we can finally see in full color how it goes down with the newly released Ukrainian footage. Not only is the S-300/400 and surrounding Shorad defenders—if any—incapable of neutralizing the guiding Shark drone, but the ATACMS missiles themselves overwhelm the battery:

How do we know it’s ATACMS and not anything else? The extremely wide cluster munitions spread is consistent with the much larger ATACMS rather than HIMARS, for instance, which carries less munitions and has a far smaller spread. Also, in the post-strike damage video seen above you can clearly see a discarded ATACMS fuselage on the ground. Ukraine also released a video showing a launch of up to 8 or more ATACMS, though it’s not 100% clear it is meant to show this one specific attack, though that appeared to be the implication.

So: assuming that launch was in fact connected to this particular S-400 hit, what can we surmise? The S-400 battery clearly launches a slew of missiles, and most analysts are interpreting that to mean that the battery did manage to shoot down almost the entire ATACMS package, with only one missile hitting cleanly at the end. But that one was enough to destroy virtually the entire battery.

The problem is: the S-400 is meant to have a 400km detection range. But the system is clearly engaging the ATACMS only seconds away from their impact. This could indicate a major shortcoming of the system, or merely our lack of details.

For instance: sure, the radar itself can detect 400km in the most optimistic/idealistic conditions, but:

That’s only for maximal-sized objects with huge RCS’s like B-52s. A missile, even a large one like an ATACMS, would still be detected at a much closer range—it’s simply down to mathematics. In fact, as the calculations in the above image show, a sub 1.0 RCS object (which most missiles are) would be detected at approximately 30km or less.

The S-300/400 systems can and are loaded with a variety of different missile types for different purposes, some being very short range missiles. If this particular battery was equipped with mostly short ranged ones then it would not be able to engage the ATACMS at long range anyway.

There’s no telling of the crew training of the particular unit.

Some pro-Russian analysts say it’s still a success when the systems are shooting down “most” of the ATACMS at 70-90% rate. The problem is, when your S-300/400 are being attrited with multiple batteries taken out each week, it doesn’t matter if your success rate is 90%—your systems are still failing in their primary duty. It’s just that it’s not a failure particular to them but of the entire AD eco-system. There appears to be a lack of integration (IADS) and a holistic approach to detecting objects at safe ranges, which includes utilizing AWACS and other airborne platforms. The fact that the S-400 is only responding at the final moments of the missiles’ arrival time and time again is a deep issue in detection for the Russian forces.

If it is true that another system was likewise hit in Alushta, Crimea just a day later, then it means Russia has no way of reliably stopping the ATACMS as they are pretty much hitting anything at will.

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This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 7:20 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2700 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:47 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 25 May 2024

Russian Deputy Chief of the General Staff Gen-Lt Vadim Shamarin was reported on 23 May 2024 as having been detained on suspicion of taking large bribes. He faces charges under article 290 part 6 of the Russian Criminal Code (taking a bribe on a particularly large scale).

This follows recent arrests of other senior Russian Ministry of Defence (MOD) figures also suspected of corruption, namely Deputy Defence Minister Timur Ivanov, and Head of Personnel Yury Kuznetsov.

These arrests have all occurred since Sergey Shoygu was dismissed from his post as Defence Minister on 12 May 2024. Shamarin has headed the Russian MOD Directorate of Communications since 2021. One of his predecessors in this role, Gen-Col Khalil Arslanov, was also prosecuted on corruption charges back in 2020. Corruption is deeply rooted in the Russian MOD, and it is likely that there will be further arrests.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
1376 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:03 am to
bullshite, you seem like the type of queer to have one of those “NOT FOR HIRE - TRAVELING” license plates.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24006 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:21 am to
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You are laughable. Russia has taken a good portion of the country. 20% of Ukraine has left, 100s of thousands more are dead or wounded. The destruction is approaching half a trillion dollars. Their economy is a disaster (though the prognosticators love to throw in the 100s of billions in US support as part of their GDP).

That’s why Russia must be stopped.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36495 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:44 am to
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That’s why Russia must be stopped.


Literally nothing he said is true, please don’t dignify him with a response.that goes for anything he says. Why are y’all even responding ?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23387 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:49 am to
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Damn you’ve started melting hard, shite must have started looking worse for Russia.


Why are all of you completely out of your mind?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5886 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:53 am to
Scratch another Su-25. That’s 8 for the month of May alone. This is getting sad if it wasn’t so comical.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2566 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:04 am to
If you notice, the Ukraine truthers don’t have good arguments against most of the main points the people wanting this to end/wanting the aid fountain turned off…. Even the more loony posters.

They just attack you personally, or they find something to nitpick so they can take attention away from your main points that they have no solid rebuttal for. Or they just entirely make up your positions and attack those, like yesterday when I was misquoted, provided proof, and didn’t even get a “my bad” in return.

I couldn’t imagine being so devoid of morality that I would be actively cheering for this nonsense to continue like some of those in here.

I hope this ends swiftly and Ukraine gets an awesome deal. Russia had some valid gripes with Ukraine and the west, but that isn’t an excuse to invade and start this whole mess. I just think “saving” Ukraine is going to lead us to a much more unstable world in the future, and at tremendous cost in the short term.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2566 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:06 am to
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MSM hasn't done us any favors saying for two years that Ukraine is winning at every turn while this thing drags on.


Hard agree

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That said, it appears we are at a scary point where each side is staggered and trying to deliver a haymaker.


Puffing up chests before going to the table, like I’ve been saying. We will see if the west changes the trajectory of any talks or not again, or if Russia actually intends to negotiate in good faith.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19586 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:08 am to
A friend in Kiev put it recently, people hate the conscription officers more than they hate the Russian.

It’s over
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3813 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:15 am to
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Putin will say that we won, that NATO attacked us and we kept our sovereignty, that we have a land corridor to Crimea, which is true," one of them said, giving their own analysis


Change attacked to threatened and it's an easy sell given it is true.


Can you cite any example of NATO actually threatening Russia or is this the standard "NATO got bigger so that's a threat" argument?
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22546 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:16 am to
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I couldn’t imagine being so devoid of morality that I would be actively cheering for this nonsense to continue like some of those in here.


There are some.in this thread that are far more concerned with the security of Ukraine's border than they are with their own nation. They worry more about Europe's border/security than they do our own. That is just sad. An illegal invasion.of their own nation has been allowed/encouraged and enabled by this corrupt administration. It is nothing short of treason and not fulfilling the the oath of the office. . And if you say anything negative about how this is being conducted or about Biden they call you anti-American. They actually say that you hate America. Now isn't that ironic.

They don't get why people are so pissed. The government can spend 9 trillion in shitholes like Iraq and Afghanistan and they both turn out to be disasters. The government can spend billions.on the security of Europeans but doesn't have 5 billion to spend on the security of its own border? And it allows, encourages and enables the illegal invasion of millions into this nation. What other nation allows this? This is total madness and the destruction of a nation.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 9:07 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18156 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:19 am to
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A friend in Kiev put it recently


You have a friend in Kyiv? I hope that the SBU arrests him soon, before he tries to carry out another assassination plot.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2566 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:20 am to
Cringe
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 8:21 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9883 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:04 am to
Nice to know that you follow that doofuss who cheerleads Russia at every turn and whose reports are full of bullcrap. He's wrong more often that nutter Col MacGregor.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 9:07 am
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58529 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:44 am to
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They just attack you personally, or they find something to nitpick so they can take attention away from your main points that they have no solid rebuttal for.


Example. Turbeauxdog. Go look at his past several post in this thread.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 11:11 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2700 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:00 am to
russians bombed a building supply store in Kharkiv today while it was open for business...reports of a lot of people inside

Video


Sergej Sumlenny, LL.M
@sumlenny
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Russia hits a Kharkiv analogue of "Home Depot" (or "Baumarkt" in Germany) with two heavy bombs. Note: people in Kharkiv buy construction materials here to repair their houses damaged by Russian bombs, like installing new windows. #LetUkraineHitRussiaBack

Another video
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 10:06 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36577 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:05 am to
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Literally nothing he said is true, please don’t dignify him with a response.that goes for anything he says. Why are y’all even responding ?


Exactly, and he’s here just to troll.
He makes junk up and people respond. He and his drinking buddies are laughing it up.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20058 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:06 am to
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Scratch another Su-25. That’s 8 for the month of May alone. This is getting sad if it wasn’t so comical.


I hope our dumb administration doesn't telegraph the arrival of F16s. It should be a little bit of a surprise.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2700 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:11 am to
Volodymyr Zelenskyy /
@ZelenskyyUa

Russia has launched another brutal attack on our Kharkiv – on a construction hypermarket, on Saturday, right in the middle of the day.

As of now, it is believed that more than 200 people were in the hypermarket. All the emergency services are already on the site and providing assistance, rescuing people, and extinguishing the fire that has completely engulfed the building – 10,000 square meters. There are killed and injured people.

If Ukraine had sufficient air defense systems and modern combat aircraft, Russian strikes like this one would have been impossible. And that is why we appeal to all leaders, to all states: we need a significant enhancement of air defense and sufficient capabilities to destroy Russian terrorists.

This is a task that must be accomplished and can only be accomplished together with the world. Every day, we call on the world to provide us with air defense and to save our people. Every unmade decision to support us results in the loss of our people.

Video
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 10:12 am
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