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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/21/24 at 11:17 am to Celtic Tiger
Posted on 4/21/24 at 11:17 am to Celtic Tiger
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Last night I almost asked him to expound on that heritage he seemed so proud of in that post, but was too tired to waste the energy. You gotta give him credit, as soon as you think he’s hit the bottom he still keeps digging.
Hopefully we've seen the last of him.
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 11:17 am to doubleb
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It’s my OPINION based on empirical evidence.
The original quote I replied to said
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History has PROVEN on multiple occasions
So even if your comments are an opinion, it was originally presented as fact. Hence me arguing against it as a fact.
Absolutely fair opinion to have, but I don’t really think it’s productive to argue over hypotheticals no one can prove or disprove.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 11:27 am to doubleb
For instance Europe was involved in major wars and two of them being world wars prior to NATO. Since NATO Europe has been relatively quiet. I believe our involvement was crucial to the peace we all enjoyed.
I believe this as well.
My fathers uncle was killed in France in 8/1918.In Mar. of 1944 my father arrived in Italy. European wars tend not to stay in Europe. I believe NATO has kept the peace.
I believe this as well.
My fathers uncle was killed in France in 8/1918.In Mar. of 1944 my father arrived in Italy. European wars tend not to stay in Europe. I believe NATO has kept the peace.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 11:28 am to RuLSU
I’m all for sending more Bradleys and other armored vehicles but they better start ramping up production of new replacements because we don’t want to get caught for a few years of that in-between period where we are low on stocks but replacing slowly. Our enemies will see that and use it as the perfect time to push their own agendas like China with Taiwan. I think Ukraine has a large number of armored vehicles though so that won’t be their primary need. They need ammunition for everything first and foremost followed by anti-air defense systems, long range missiles and effective EW for Russian drones.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/21/24 at 11:51 am to VolSquatch
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Absolutely fair opinion to have, but I don’t really think it’s productive to argue over hypotheticals no one can prove or disprove.
When you use history to prove a point; you are really just using it to back up an opinion.
History, economics, etc. are not science.
I agree, there’s no use arguing opinion; however, it’s ok to express opinions to sway others to agree so that people can work together for our best interests.
In this case it’s our best interest for the US to stay involved in world affairs and to live up to our commitments.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:30 pm to doubleb
It looks like Germany is going to double their order from Raytheon from 4 new Patriot systems to 8 in the PAC-3 version. I think Ukraine might just get their wish and get flooded with several more Patriots. Germany is also producing 500 PAC-2 missiles a year on their own. If they can get enough anti aircraft systems to allow them to put one or 2 closer to the front to stop Russia dropping glide bombs it would greatly change things on the front. Right now glide bombs are Ukrainian troops’ worst problem and why they have been giving up ground little by little.
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This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:42 pm to bigjoe1
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And more recently, Johnson received a key intelligence briefing from CIA Director Bill Burns, who painted a picture of the dire situation on the battlefield in Ukraine and the global consequences of inaction, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.
This must have been why Johnson had such a turnaround in his thinking. The same US intelligence leaders that have been running rings around the Russians since before this war started met with Johnson and gave him The Briefing. You know The Briefing, this is the presentation that causes pucker marks in the leather chairs and insomnia for a week.
After that, the Mike Johnson we saw yesterday was 180 degrees different from the past. What was the quote? "I was so busy trying to keep my job, I forgot to do my job." So the new Johnson had a meeting with Trump in Florida on April 12, and it was Johnson telling Trump what was going to happen and how. Not the other way around.
Politically, Johnson is not out of the woods yet. However the respect and support he has gained by leading these aid bills to House passage will help shield him from removal actions from the Putin wing of the GOP. And even the nut cases can see it's an election year and the party doesn't need the chaos. Again.
Long term however, things are not so clear. Should Trump lose, Johnson could be the person to lead the GOP back to sanity. He could be the leader they need to bring the Eisenhower / Reagan philosophy back to the ballot box. It will take a few years, but I believe the GOP has gone too far to the right and will start rebalancing now. There will be a lot of golden calves that will need goring, so it won't be easy. But Johnson's not done yet and he is in position to do a lot of good.
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This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:18 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Well, now that Johnson had gotten those bills out of the way, what is he going to do about the border?
HR-2 still languishing at the Senate...
Passing the Senate border bill does nothing positive...
His reneging on this border first pledge with very little explanation damages his reputation among those who supported him post-McCarthy....
... and the waving of the Ukraine flags was rubbing it in the face ofo those who opposed the Ukraine bill or at least wanted Johnson to get something for it... gaslighting.
HR-2 still languishing at the Senate...
Passing the Senate border bill does nothing positive...
His reneging on this border first pledge with very little explanation damages his reputation among those who supported him post-McCarthy....
... and the waving of the Ukraine flags was rubbing it in the face ofo those who opposed the Ukraine bill or at least wanted Johnson to get something for it... gaslighting.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:34 pm to cypher
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"rusophobic"
the emergence of this term/angle amuses me...
"anti-semitism" is a term that existed because people could not separate their dislike of religions from the Semitic people who are associated with them. "Semitic people" being both Jews and Arabs.
"Islamophobia" was Muslims wanted to counter the sympathy Jews were getting and undermine criticism of Islam...
and Islam deserves some honest criticism... so does the government of Israel. Using those terms to wave off any criticism is bullshite.
"Rusophobia" is claiming people (The West) are just prejudiced against anything Russian for no reason. Nope... "Sovietphobia" was probably a thing, for good fricking reason... but deflecting criticism of Putin and his cadre as simple Western ethnic "racism" is completely absurd, especially when claiming Ukrainians are Russians but Europe and the West are championing them out of pure hatred of Russians.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:35 pm to LSUPilot07
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It looks like Germany is going to double their order from Raytheon
stock price goes brrrrrrr
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:58 pm to VolSquatch
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stock price goes brrrrrrr
How many shares are you getting? This will be an interesting study.
Raytheon currently at 101.56 down .67% for the last year.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:22 pm to Coeur du Tigre
I noticed Johnson voted for the bill. Traditionally the Speaker refrains from voting unless he's needed for a tiebreaker. Maybe he wanted to add extra emphasis to his decision.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:25 pm to cypher
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yet another russian weighs in...
Countless members of the ot warmonger crew have been proudly claiming for years that this policy and military support for Ukraine is the cheapest way to harm Russia. We should continue to give Ukraine weapons so they can fight and weaken Russia.
This military support is objectively used by Ukrainians to fight Russians resulting with the countless loss of Ukrainian lives.
Despite not much popular support our elected scoundrels almost uniformly support this policy with complete indifference for ending the war. They will continue to give Ukrainians as long as they will take them and lose their lives fighting Russians with them.
Putting these three objectively true statements together and I'm a Russian.
It's why you're a clown, you'll always be a clown, and no matter how much your bubble of lunacy is reinforced by other clowns like DNC_Tiger , you're wrong and a clown you'll remain.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
I hate all of them. They are traitors to America.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:30 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Gfy
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:37 pm to doubleb
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For instance Europe was involved in major wars and two of them being world wars prior to NATO. Since NATO Europe has been relatively quiet. I believe our involvement was crucial to the peace we all enjoyed.
But can I prove that? No I can not, but you can’t prove it didn’t.
I think we can conclude the odds are much more that it did than didn't, though...
NATO made wars between Western European nations unnecessary... because they effectively shared a military/security... and it also put the nuclear genie in a bit of a bottle: European countries didn't need to go nuclear because the US, UK and France has them covered.
The most worrying result of Trump's attitude towards NATO and Brexit is that now Poland and a few other countries no longer trust the US+UK Nuclear umbrella and want to pursue going Nuclear themselves... and we don't need that wild card. As cool as Poland might seem in this minute, their hatred of Russia makes me nervous when they have their own button to push in escalation. Some of the Balkan states make me nervous in general, too...
Again, I'm no fan of Hegemony or Dominance... but when you're the more level headed and mature bigger kid in the room you should chill out the smaller kids who are fighting among themselves... and despite how Europe has always seen itself and us/US, we are that bigger kid.
Vox: Caught Between Trump and Putin, are European countries ready to go nuclear?
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:39 pm to SirWinston
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They are traitors to America
Says the man who wishes the Nazis won WWII
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:45 pm to StormyMcMan
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They are traitors to America
Says the man who wishes the Nazis won WWII
I'm starting to think the guys working shifts in Russia running his account need to compare notes and coordinate on just what they post here.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:48 pm to VolSquatch
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He might be actually getting kick backs, or a position when he leaves Congress, or something else. Maybe he’s a religious nut. Maybe he’s just a total cuck. Regardless, he sold out the interests of the majority of his own party’s supporter's
Me saying that you are a tranny is just as credible as your assessment.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 2:52 pm to Lee B
Russophobia exists, but it’s an Eastern European phenomenon. You see it especially with the Poles and with Eastern European Jews.
The oligarchy in Moscow is very Jewish though. So it’s complicated.
The oligarchy in Moscow is very Jewish though. So it’s complicated.
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