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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:09 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:09 pm to
The Port of Charleston matters only if attacking NATO by land. Otherwise Gulf Coast ports matter more, a lot more.

Data centers matter more than actual banks these days. Yes, it is a regional banking center for NYC banks. A partner's bro in law is a VP for one of them.

Mont Belvieu, TX would cripple our MASSIVE petrochemicals business the likes of which China and Russia can only dream of having.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:12 pm to
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In that case, thank goodness I'm not in Tuscaloosa.


Tuscaloosa would definitely be ground zero!

Lol
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:14 pm to
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Reminder to the board that one of the reasons that SirWinston is for Russia is that he's anti-Semite who hates Jews like Zelensky.


This is a blatant lie. If it were the 19th century I would challenge you.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:23 pm to
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Keep in mind also that Ulyanovsk is being built not really as pr. 885M but as pr. 09853--yes, Poseidon and other drones carrier (in Russian). I warned about it for many years, that Revolution is coming and that it is this proverbial revolver at the temple of globalist sociopaths and the US will increasingly lose, not edge, it doesn't have the edge at all for a long time
Yep.

Naval nuclear drones or drone torpedos are a big problem. They can carry a far larger warhead. They can be remotely deployed, parked adjacent to a target, then lay-in-wait (potentially years) for a detonation signal.

They are conceptually outstanding if for no other reason than their utilitarian asymmetry. The US has major coastal and waterway target offerings. Russia, far less so. So even were we to match the technology (which we most certainly could), our Sino-Russian adversaries are not nearly as geographically vulnerable to the things.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:46 pm to
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Yes, it is a regional banking center for NYC banks.

My BofA acquaintances would be interested in that news. NYC is a "regional banking center" for BofA.

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Mont Belvieu, TX would cripple our MASSIVE petrochemicals business the likes of which China and Russia can only dream of having.
Dude, I have no intention of debating whether the largest naval weapons facility on the east coast or Mont Belvieu, TX would be higher on the target priority list.

Factually though, one Poseidon warhead in Trinity Bay and Mont Belvieu, along with all of Greater Houston, ClearWater, Pasadena, Galveston, etc would be vaporized, kaput, poof...gone.

We don't know how many of the Poseidon class weapons Russia has. We do know their overall arsenal is large enough so as not to need to be terribly target selective. In an all out nuclear confrontation, Charlotte, Charleston, and even BR would be gone.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 3:51 pm to
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our Sino-Russian adversaries are not nearly as geographically vulnerable to the things.





Maybe not Russia. China's economy relies entirely on exports, almost all of it shipped by sea. Shut down the Chinese ports and there would be famine within a year.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:01 pm to
WSJ article on how the Czech Republic is taking a lead role in supplying Ukraine: LINK

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PRAGUE—Ukraine is about to receive large shipments of the ammunition it needs most. It won’t come from the U.S., or any other pillar of NATO.

Rather, the deal was clinched by a landlocked country of 10 million people sandwiched between Germany and Poland famed for its picturesque capital and the quality of its beer, but which was also home to a large arms industry.

The Czech Republic, once part of a former Soviet satellite state and with little sympathy for Russia’s efforts to restore its lost empire, is one of Ukraine’s most ardent supporters. By activating relations dating back to the Cold War, it has sourced around 800,000 artillery shells from a diverse coalition of suppliers spanning the globe and identified another 700,000 that could be secured with extra funds.

The shells include 300,000 Soviet-standard shells and around 500,000 Western-made rounds, to be delivered in batches by the end of the year. More shells will be available as funding comes in, the Czech government said. Altogether, Czech officials say around 3 billion euros, equivalent to $3.3 billion, would secure around 1.5 million shells—a fraction of the $60 billion aid package for Ukraine now stranded in the U.S. congress.

The shipments, which Czech officials say could start reaching Ukraine within weeks, come as shortages of ammunition and troops are forcing Ukraine’s battered army to pull back in places faced with a Russian onslaught.

The Ukrainian forces are so depleted that they now only fire around two shells for every 10 Russia fires at them, according to Western intelligence estimates.

The Ukrainians aren’t running out of courage, but “they are running out of ammunition,” said Jens Stoltenberg, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
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Some military analysts say Ukraine needs up to 200,000 shells of various calibers each month to push back against the renewed onslaught. The supplies organized by the Czech Republic could help Ukraine’s defenders hold back Russia’s advance while the West slowly ramps up its own weapons production.

“The Czech initiative will help Ukraine stabilize the front and regain the upper hand,” said Nico Lange, former chief of the executive staff at the German defense ministry.

Czech officials behind the discreet procurement plan said their effort started shortly before Russia’s full-scale invasion two years ago and largely circumvented the ponderous bureaucracies of NATO and the European Union.

Unlike the U.S., France or Germany, which mainly focused on ramping up domestic production to supply Ukraine, Czech officials said their initiative focused on sourcing existing materiel. Czech officials began quietly crisscrossing the globe, clinching sales deals and negotiating export licenses from scores of manufacturing nations.

The Czech officials said the country’s past as a former Soviet satellite was an unexpected boon. It gifted the country both a substantial armaments industry with global customers and good relations with many nations in the Global South with large stockpiles of Soviet-era weapons and the capacity to produce more.

The officials are coy about where the shells are coming from but say suppliers include some allies of Russia. By contrast, similar entreaties by the U.S. and Western Europeans to potential suppliers in Africa, Asia and Latin America have been rebuffed, according to Western officials.
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The Czech Republic would then organize the logistics, with shipments going either through its own borders or through third countries, blurring any direct link between the country of origin and Ukraine so as not to expose the supplier to Moscow’s ire.

“Confidentiality is key here: We talk and will talk to anyone, no matter what their allegiance or political stance is—with a very few exceptions, such as North Korea,” said Tomas Pojar, the Czech government’s national security adviser.

Prague’s efforts exposed a discrepancy between some governments’ friendly attitude to Russia in public and their openness to doing business with Ukraine’s allies in private, said Jan Jires, deputy minister of defense.
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“If you come with a pile of money they are interested, and Czechia is seen as neutral compared with the U.S., which is often polarizing,” said Jakub Janda, head of the European Values Center for Security Policy, a Prague-based think tank, using an alternate English-language name for the country.

So far, the Czech Republic has secured funding for the first tranche of around 300,000 shells. Among the donors are Germany, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark. The U.S. isn’t part of the buyers’ club at this stage.
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“Western initiatives have been hindered by…a desire to produce in Europe or the U.S. because countries wanted to combine supporting Ukraine with supporting their industries,” Jires said. “Which is a legitimate goal because we need to rearm ourselves but that’s not what’s needed for the immediate relief of Ukraine.”
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:20 pm to
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China's economy relies entirely on exports, almost all of it shipped by sea. Shut down the Chinese ports and there would be famine within a year.
In an all out nuclear war, there'd be no one to import those exports.

Certainly there are major Chinese ports though. The point was more related to the relative inland distribution of population and resources there vs in the US (or Britain)
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:32 pm to
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The means might be something too horrible to contemplate. But Russia is fighting with an arm tied behind its back. Right? That seems all too easily forgotten. If Putin decided to go with all options upto and including nukes, Russia could easily level the entirety of Ukraine. The consequence would probably be WWIII, and mutually assured destruction. Would Putin do that? If the guy is as he's characterized here -- a murderous, insane, thug -- the answer could well be "yes."


Putin is a murderous and insane thug but he’s not that murderous and insane. He knows that the use of nuclear weapons would trigger the US and NATO into war and Russia can’t survive that war. Plus if he uses nukes in Ukraine then he negates the entire purpose of the war. Hard to use the Donbas as a land bridge to Crimea if it’s a nuclear wasteland. Odessa might be free of ice in the winter but it would be useless as a port if it’s a nuclear wasteland.

ETA: If the mighty Russia has to resort to nuclear weapons to win a special military operation against a corrupt country that is not actually a country then it would be the ultimate admission of weakness.
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted by ticklechain
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:47 pm to
I tend to agree with you... however, I'm not in the camp of they are only fighting Ukraine. They are dealing with most of the Western first world countries, whether it be arms supplied, targeting packages from our satellites or other means, and I think we all know it's not just Ukrainians pressing triggers out there
Posted by BoardReader
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:48 pm to
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The point was more related to the relative inland distribution of population and resources there vs in the US (or Britain)


Somewhere between a quarter and a third of the Chinese population lives in an area a bit smaller than Texas+ Oklahoma-- including all the major centers of government power. You can neatly tuck in another 150M or so that are dependent on the continuous control of river management systems there, to keep from being flooded out.

A similar concentration exists in the South of the country.

They aren't exactly geographically diverse, when it comes to population.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:49 pm to
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Putin is ... not that murderous and insane.
I am so tired of your Putin apologies
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:19 pm to
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They aren't exactly geographically diverse
So you're saying that a shift in capability from 100% space/air to 20-30-40% naval ratio would be an intelligent approach for us?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:27 pm to
Ukraine war latest: 12 Russian oil refineries reportedly hit in recent attacks by Ukraine

by The Kyiv Independent news desk March 18, 2024 12:15 AM

Key developments on March 17:

Media: 12 Russian oil refineries successfully hit in recent attacks by Ukraine

Putin ‘wins’ rigged Russian election, preliminary results show

1 killed, 6 injured, including child, in Russian attack on Mykolaiv

Shoigu calls for better Navy defense in visit to Black Sea Fleet, Russian Defense Ministry says

Drone reportedly hits military base in Russian-controlled Transnistria.

The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) drones have recently successfully attacked 12 oil refineries in Russia, a source told Ukrainska Pravda, including an overnight attack on March 17 of an oil refinery in Slavyansk-on-Kuban in Krasnodar Krai.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:33 pm to
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Putin ‘wins’ rigged Russian election, preliminary results show
JESUS!
That takes some gumption.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:36 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:39 pm to
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Russia has a slightly more potent version.
How Russia’s New Doomsday Torpedo Works.


Even assuming the Poseidon is operational and deployable it doesn't change the MAD calculus at all. The only thing that really would change the worldview of MAD is a first-strike weapon that completely destroys the other country's ability to mount a retaliatory strike.

The MAD die was cast not long after the Mike shot of Operation Ivy. We are still in the era of not needing to concern ourselves with individual weapon systems but rather the people that control those systems because it is all about how suicidal they are. That only changes when one side has the ability to thwart the retaliation ability of the other side. Poseidon doesn't change that.

An excellent example of my point in practice is how much the Star Wars bluff impacted the USSR. I would proffer that Poseidon is a long-lost echo back to Star Wars. It likely has its genesis in evading a modern Star Wars weapon system. While it would do that it doesn't bring Russia to a place where they don't have to worry about a second strike and that is the only grail that takes MAD out of the equation.

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:46 pm to
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Drone reportedly hits military base in Russian-controlled Transnistria


This could be bigger than 1 sentence suggests
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13437 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:47 pm to
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It won’t come from the U.S., or any other pillar of NATO.
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So far, the Czech Republic has secured funding for the first tranche of around 300,000 shells. Among the donors are Germany, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark.


There really is no reason to lie. These weapons are being paid for by NATO countries and brought in through the Czech republic. Why the subterfuge?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105479 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 5:53 pm to
In your view would an EMP attack that causes no immediate casualties but destroyed the power grid and other electric infrastructure warrant a nuclear retaliatory strike? This is a hypothetical question. It's an act of all out war and assuredly will cause death and misery in short order, but for now, it's just that nobody's phone works. I can envision a leader wavering on launching the strike, and an adversary being willing to roll the dice that he wouldn't.
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