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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/17/24 at 6:06 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 6:06 pm to
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Putin is ... not that murderous and insane.
I am so tired of your Putin apologies



1. That is not a Putin apology. That is realism.

2. I am tired of your fear mongering and being an arrogant pussy.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 6:19 pm to
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It won’t come from the U.S., or any other pillar of NATO.
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So far, the Czech Republic has secured funding for the first tranche of around 300,000 shells. Among the donors are Germany, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark.


There really is no reason to lie. These weapons are being paid for by NATO countries and brought in through the Czech republic. Why the subterfuge?



Some of the sellers do not want Russia to know that they are helping Ukraine. Some of the other suspected sellers like South Korea and Switzerland have laws that prevent them from providing arms to a country engaged in war.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 6:23 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

French President Emmanuel Macron underlined the necessity for European countries to continue supporting a Ukrainian victory against Russia in order to ensure Ukrainian and European security.

The Ukrainian State Security Service (SBU), Special Forces (SOF), and Unmanned Systems Forces reportedly conducted a successful drone strike against a Russian oil refinery in Krasnodar Krai on the night of March 16 to 17.

Unspecified actors launched a drone at a military base in Transnistria, the pro-Russian breakaway republic in Moldova, on March 17 amidst an assessed ongoing Kremlin hybrid operation aimed at destabilizing Moldova from within.

All-Russian pro-Ukrainian volunteer forces reportedly seized a Russian administrative building in the Belgorod Oblast border area amid continued cross-border raids into Belgorod Oblast.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) signaled that it intends to protect the Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) against Ukrainian strikes and may have replaced the BSF commander as part of this effort.

Russian forces recently made confirmed advances near Avdiivka and Donetsk City.

Russian authorities continue to militarize children in occupied Ukraine as part of efforts to Russify Ukrainian children and create a resource for Russia’s future force generation needs.

 


Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:13 pm to
He's a VP of BofA. I'll give you that BofA is in NC. Where is their data center?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:19 pm to
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would an EMP attack that causes no immediate casualties but destroyed the power grid and other electric infrastructure warrant a nuclear retaliatory strike?


The US is the only nation with bombs designed specifically for EMP. We have proof of what an EMP can do with Operation Starfish Prime and that it below out some transformer fuses in Hawaii. Electronic equipment near where a home is grounded is likely unaffected in the least.

An EMP should only effect process controls for the grid, not any power lines. Controls are in 24VDC in milliamps. Anywhere controls are hardened (chemical plants, refineries, etc...) zero issues.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21029 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:52 pm to
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Some of the sellers do not want Russia to know that they are helping Ukraine. Some of the other suspected sellers like South Korea and Switzerland have laws that prevent them from providing arms to a country engaged in war.



The reason that the Czechs can do this and we can't is that other countries know that, if we tried it, DoD paper-pushers would instantly call their media friends and leak exactly which countries were selling the shells and how many were coming from each.

The Czechs have the ability to keep their mouths shut.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
66158 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:53 pm to
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People downvoted you because you can't read. The post I was responding to was not about foreign wars, but rather about the MIC and total defense spending and the growth of our national debt.


Completely incorrect. You left out the end of his post and changed what he said. You're a liar. This is the part of his comment that you deceitfully removed :

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They've got you conditioned like a lap dog. "Funding foreign wars (that have zero impact on American lives) is good! If you don't agree you're a Chicom supporter and un-American durr"
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/17/24 at 8:20 pm to
The START Treaty, originally proposed by Ronald Reagan in 1982 forced Russia to keep its hydrogen fueled nukes and ditch most of its solid fueled ones. The beauty of this was that liquid hydrogen has to be recooled and Russia has always done this at a central location, lacking proper chilling equipment for remote cooling to MINUS 434 Deg F. While solid propellant is much more stable, it needs to be changed periodically and this is also done at a central location.

Russia has 40% hydrogen fueled ballistic missiles. How many will even leave the silo, or launch vehicle? We already know how much corruption is in their military, especially when it comes to maintenance.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30662 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:55 am to
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In your view would an EMP attack that causes no immediate casualties but destroyed the power grid and other electric infrastructure warrant a nuclear retaliatory strike?


Interesting question and I have zero insight into how leaders would react. I have a feeling it would potentially start a worldwide infrastructure war both in the cyber and electromagnetic weapons arenas. That being said I doubt China would allow Russia to do that if it had prior knowledge considering what the loss of Western trade did to them during COVID. They would take a massive hit if say NYC was hit with an effective EMP not just from the disruption of the markets but the ripple effects that would run through the entire US.

That being said I doubt Poseidon has any significant EMP effects given how quickly they would be attenuated in the ocean. IIRC fresh water has an attenuation of about 1 dB /m in the Gigahertz EM range where salt water is over 500 dB/m so if one understands the logarithmic nature of the dB scale it is clear the ocean is where L through W band EM energy goes to die. Now if a similar drone had the capability to lob a EMP device a couple of thousand feet in the air then the whole scenario would change very quickly.

If Poseidon functions as advertised it gives the potential for a devasting first strike against coastal cities but it has very limited ability to disrupt a retaliatory strike. The ability to severely limit second strike ability is the next holy grail.



When a talking head DGAF and says the quiet part out loud on Russian state TV... they go to a commercial break.

1 minute YT video





Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139741 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:56 am to
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Where is their data center?


At one point, BofA had more than 60 data centers. It's pared that down to around 20. I don't know where all of those facilities are located, but environs of Charlotte, Raleigh, Dallas, Richmond, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Philly are some.

Why?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:42 am to
Random tweets

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Lithuania and Germany have officially declared that they do not recognize the presidential "elections" in Russia as legitimate

According to the Lithuanian Foreign Minister, the voting that took place in Russia is a "tragic farce". German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said Germany condemns the "elections without a choice" in Russia.

Fun fact: Putin won 98.99% of the vote in Chechnya.

LINK

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A buffer or sanitary zone on the border with Ukraine is needed to prevent them from attacking Russian targets, Kremlin says - Tass

LINK

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The Cabinet of Ministers approved the plan for the EU Ukraine Facility program for 2024-2027, which provides for the allocation of 50 billion euros to Ukraine.

This was announced by Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal.

"These are European approaches to the reform of public administration, to the fight against corruption, to economic and sectoral reforms in various spheres: from energy and the agricultural sector," he said

LINK

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NATO soldiers are already in Ukraine for arms control, intelligence operations and training - Spanish newspaper El Pais

LINK

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Follow up to reported Ukraine OWA-UAV attack on Russian Ammunition depot at
48.995337,44.212311 in Kotluban Volgograd region, Russia.

In short the strike was completely ineffective.

Reports 2x UAVs fell on the territory of the ammunition depot on the night of March 8 2024 with 1 exploding.
Sentinel 2 imagery from March 14, 2024 shows no visible damage to the ammunition depot.
This depot belongs to Military Unit 57229/51 in the village of Kotluban (formerly 92921).
According to the Wikimapia service, the ammunition stored here is for the Main Rocket Artillery Directorate (GRAU) of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

A very good target that would degrade the capability of the Russian Rocket Artillery forces follow up strike will be needed.

This ammunition depot sits 292 miles from Chasiv Yar.

LINK

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WSJ said that the suppliers of ammunition for the Czechia to hand over to Ukraine are allies of Russia

The Czechia has received about 800,000 artillery shells from various suppliers around the world and has found another 700,000 units that can be ordered if additional funding is available. The first tranche of 300,000 shells has now been secured, with Germany contributing the most.

While Prague is silent on where the ammunition is coming from, the publication claims that Russian allies are among the suppliers. Trade agreements suggest that deliveries will be routed through the Czechia or third countries to hide any direct link between the countries of origin and Ukraine, and to avoid exposing the supplier to Moscow's wrath.

LINK
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:00 am to
Data centers are where all of the info is.

Take WalMart, which is more important, Bentonville, AR or Jane, MO? Jane is their data center for all of their buying and selling.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139741 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:07 am to
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Data centers are where all of the info is.
The scale of destruction with these weapons is hard to imagine. If you're addressing individual data centers, I think we're having a failure to communicate.

Some perspective:
The largest nuclear test to date was the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba in 1961. Its mushroom cloud was 25 miles wide at its base, and 60 miles wide at its top. At 40 miles high, it penetrated the stratosphere. Everything within 35 miles of the impact (a 70 mile perimeter) was vaporized — enough to entirely "disappear" any modern major city, including suburbs. Severe, and likely unsurvivable, damage extended to a 150 miles radius, a 300 mile perimeter. Windows 600 miles away in Norway and Finland were shattered by the force of the blast. Drop that bomb on Philly, and both New York and Washington DC would be destroyed

The Tsar Bomba was 50 megatons.
The bomb we're addressing here is 100 megatons.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:21 am to
Russian oil exports from its western ports revised up 10% in March amid refinery outage, sources say

Overall, a Reuters analysis found the attacks have idled around 7% of Russian refining capacity in the first quarter.
Amid refinery outages, Russia is set to increase oil exports through its western ports in March by almost 200,000 barrels per day (bpd) against the monthly plan to 2.15 million bpd, market participants said.

Reuters

Appears that refinery strikes are having an effect.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 8:32 am
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:27 am to
My naturopath is in Jane, MO. Good lad who is on the run from the FDA
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139741 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:27 am to
Those estimates don't include the most recent damage, do they?
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24348 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:32 am to
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Ukraine may have the most advanced drone warfare program on the planet.

The US has spent the last 20 years putting warheads on foreheads in the Middle East while some AirForce dude acts like he is playing a video game in a Connex box in some Nevada desert.

They have come up with ingenious ways to use what they have on ha d and have even started to develop and use some longer ranged drones, but they're nowhere near what the US, UK, and France are in capabilities. Especially without the west propping them up.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 8:35 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:00 am to
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Appears that refinery strikes are having an effect.

I am confused.

Russia is exporting more oil after losing about 10% of its refining capacity?
Is that because they lack the refining capacity and they can’t do it themselves?

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:10 am to
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Is that because they lack the refining capacity and they can’t do it themselves?



I believe that is a yes.

My understanding is that russia has no strategic crude reserve to buffer crude output. So whatever they produce has to be refined or exported.

CitizenK can probably provide details.

some context...

Russia's Putin signals OPEC+ cuts are here to stay
By Vladimir Soldatkin and Olesya Astakhova
October 11, 2023 9:11

MOSCOW, Oct 11 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that OPEC+ coordination would continue in order to ensure predictability on the oil market and signalled strongly that a deal to constrain supply to world markets was here to stay.

"I am sure that the coordination of the OPEC+ partners' actions will continue," Putin told the "Russian Energy Week" conference in Moscow beside Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia Al-Sudani. Iraq is the world's third largest oil exporter.
"This is important for the predictability of the oil market, and ultimately for the well-being of all mankind," Putin said.

Reuters
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 9:36 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139741 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:17 am to
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they lack the refining capacity and they can’t do it themselves
Ok. That makes more sense.
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