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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:59 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:59 am to GOP_Tiger
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Democrats have 213 representatives in the House so we need only 5 GOP members. The "Squad" won't sign, so it will need about 10 GOP signatures. I think that Republican members who support Ukraine will give the Speaker at least another week to negotiate a deal. At this point, though, I am increasingly skeptical that a deal can be constructed that would get the support of a majority of the conference and also get the Democratic votes to pass. In the end, I think that the question is going to come down to whether there are 10 GOP members willing to buck the Speaker and vote for the petition.
I spoke with my cousin who is an aid for Steve Scalise and she said that the votes are there. However, they are holding back for a little while longer to see if Johnson and Biden can come to a deal. Johnson supposedly liked the idea of turning it into a loan but they haven’t reached out to the WH as of last night.
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:01 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Can someone tell me again why we are pissing money away while our own border is invaded?
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What makes you think the GOP would take money for Ukraine & divert it to the border?
Don't be fooled
Chip Roy quote on X March 12th, 2024: "In 2018 we had the House, we had the Senate, we had The White House and we had a bigger majority than we have today and we utterly failed to secure the border. Totally dropped the ball. Didn’t do it."
Chip Roy
Donald Trump campaign promise June 16th, 2015
"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall."
We can support Ukraine and close the Border at the same time. It's easy, like walking and chewing gum simultaneously. Try it some time, Republicans and Democrats.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:53 am to Bunk Moreland
Sure, Ukraine lost. Again.
France is only talking about sending troops because they don't want Russia trying to take Transnistria. It's just Move:Counter-move geopolitical posturing.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:11 am to dgnx6
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The people who do vote for him care about ukraine and hamas more than our own country.
8- million idiots voted for him knowing he wasn’t going to police the border.
Anyone with half of a brain knows that if there was no Ukraine war this administration wasn’t going to protect the border.
You people need to understand this, the lack of money isn’t the reason the border is wide open. It’s a lack of will not a lack of dollar bills.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:13 am to Mr Breeze
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We can support Ukraine and close the Border at the same time
Sure, but I don't want to support Ukraine. And we shouldn't.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:16 am to doubleb
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Anyone with half of a brain knows that if there was no Ukraine war this administration wasn’t going to protect the border.
You people need to understand this, the lack of money isn’t the reason the border is wide open. It’s a lack of will not a lack of dollar bills.
And you need to understand that its the perception (and reality) of letting the border run rampant while also having all this time, money, and energy for Ukraine. Most reasonable people don't actually expect them to take money appropriated for Ukraine and directly use those same funds for the border. Its the optics of trying to save one country that even the most robotic of all the Ukraine bots on here don't actually care about vs letting ours be destroyed.
But you could play that game with anything: infrastructure, homelessness, funding our own military, Israel if thats your perogative, etc.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:17 am to VolSquatch
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Sure, but I don't want to support Ukraine. And we shouldn't.
Understood, many are acting if helping Ukraine is preventing us from policing the border and it’s not.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:26 am to doubleb
Yeah, it's like the old man screaming about how stupid the young people are wasting money on expensive coffee when they have big car payments. If the coffee patron skips the coffee one day, it likely does not mean that they will pay down their car note.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:32 am to Bunk Moreland
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The reports also highlight "the inadequacy of the training of Ukrainian soldiers and officers": due to a lack of officers and a significant number of veterans, these "Year II soldiers" from Ukraine - often trained for "no more than three weeks" - were launched into an assault on a Russian fortification line that proved impregnable.
You can say the exact same thing about the Russian Army, in spades. These are two not very good armies fighting each other. Russia has a manpower advantage but that's about all, and whether that by itself is enough to be decisive is yet to be proven.
Realistically Ukraine was never going to take back all the territory it lost since 2014. What it can do is make the internal and external costs of the war so intolerable that Russia can't continue to prosecute it. Russia is not a stable country under the best circumstances and the war has stressed it economically, politically and socially.
Keep in mind also that much or Ukraine's recent problems on the ground are the result of western dithering. With sufficient Ukrainian artillery ammunition, the Russian winter/spring offensive would have looked much different. Even so, Russia took horrific casualties to gain a few kilometers and still didn't achieve a breakthrough.
And things aren't going so great for Russia, either. The Black Sea Fleet is confined to its secure bases for the most part, the Russian air force is losing irreplaceable strategic assets every day, and keeping open the logistics routes to Crimea is getting increasingly difficult.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:33 am to GOP_Tiger
had to post, best headline today (so far)
Russia awakes to biggest attack on Russian soil since World War II
March 13, 2024, 05:55 AM
The biggest attack on Russian soil since the Second World War continues as waves of attack drones continue to fall on Russian oil refineries, military bases, and security services for a second straight day.
At least 60 drones were spotted over not less than seven Russian regions overnight on March 13, with at least seven more in a morning wave, Russia’s Defense Ministry announced.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Russia awakes to biggest attack on Russian soil since World War II
March 13, 2024, 05:55 AM
The biggest attack on Russian soil since the Second World War continues as waves of attack drones continue to fall on Russian oil refineries, military bases, and security services for a second straight day.
At least 60 drones were spotted over not less than seven Russian regions overnight on March 13, with at least seven more in a morning wave, Russia’s Defense Ministry announced.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 3/13/24 at 12:12 pm to cypher
"A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin!"
Posted on 3/13/24 at 12:16 pm to SirWinston
Should be a huge red flag when Killary agrees with you 
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:03 pm to doubleb
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You don’t seriously believe that if we weren’t providing Ukraine with aid that Biden would be using that money to maintain border control? You can’t be that dumb?
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Well nevermind….. you don’t need to answer.
Some of you are so ignorant about common sense issues. Do you think he marks 100s and says this was for Ukraine but we will spend on the border????
Now do I think the multitrillion dollar budget could be configured to spend money on US interests, in the US, of which one is the border, yes I do. And it is a budget, and every dollar spent in Ukraine could be spend in the US, not this nonsense.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:11 pm to doubleb
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You people need to understand this, the lack of money isn’t the reason the border is wide open. It’s a lack of will not a lack of dollar bills.
You are one thick individual. No one believes not funding ukraine means the US gets its border back. It was talked about, put in the bill as an "analogy" funding ukraine's border and not ours.
DC has not had a budget it adherred to in the past century
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:17 pm to trinidadtiger
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Some of you are so ignorant about common sense issues. Do you think he marks 100s and says this was for Ukraine but we will spend on the border????
Now do I think the multitrillion dollar budget could be configured to spend money on US interests, in the US, of which one is the border, yes I do. And it is a budget, and every dollar spent in Ukraine could be spend in the US, not this nonsense.
You can’t say that because every dollar we spend now (excluding on Ukraine) is not spent in the US.
When you tie Ukraine into the border problem all you do is give Biden and hud people cover. You are telling people that the reason the border is unsecured is Ukraine when the real reason it’s unsecured is Joe Biden and the Democrats.
But go ahead and give Biden an excuse. Go ahead and blame the “RINOs”. That really will help secure the border.
I have beat this drum over and over again. The border issue should stand by itself. There is no either or. You secure the border to maintain public safety and order no matter what.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:36 pm to trinidadtiger
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DC has not had a budget it adherred to in the past century
I'm going to go with since founded instead.
Cut a lot of social programs enacted in the 1960's and viola, regardless of level of military and foreign aide spending.
Cut a lot of professional memo writer bureaucrats along with those programs, that is the real swamp protecting its survival
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:58 pm to SirWinston
Frick Hillary and Frick Biden.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 3:17 pm to AU86
Macron just made a speech to the French parliament. I don't parlez vous, but it sounded bellicose.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 3:23 pm to doubleb
I tend to agree. Biden isn't choosing Ukraine over the border, at least directly. He's prioritizing Ukraine over the border in the sense that he wants to spend money on the former and isn't motivated to do anything on the latter. But it's not a binary one-over-the-other election.
But I do think there is merit in pointing out that many of our politicians seem more motivated to fund Ukraine's war than do the hard work here. I think that's fair even if it's simplistic.
But I do think there is merit in pointing out that many of our politicians seem more motivated to fund Ukraine's war than do the hard work here. I think that's fair even if it's simplistic.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 3:40 pm to Pettifogger
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But I do think there is merit in pointing out that many of our politicians seem more motivated to fund Ukraine's war than do the hard work here. I think that's fair even if it's simplistic.
I think it fair to discuss expenses that are apples to apples.
Aid Ukraine or aid another nation?
Secure the border or don’t secure the border is the question at hand.
If we stopped aiding Ukraine today Biden would not spend a penny more on the border. We know that and that should be front and center.
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