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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/28/24 at 2:36 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 2/28/24 at 2:36 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Why is it incumbent upon the USA to get involved? They're both pieces of shite.
Besides the whole "invading the neighbor" thing:
Only one of them has 5000 nuclear weapons aimed at us. Only one of them is funding terrorism in the Middle East. Only one of them supports the communist governments in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Cuba that contribute to the chaos at our southern border. Only one of them is enhancing the military of North Korea, which endangers US troops in the Korean peninsula. Only one of them is a close ally of China, our #1 global threat.
The fact that you see Ukraine and Russia as "Bugs Moran and Al Capone" just indicates that you have taken leave of your senses.
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Posted on 2/28/24 at 2:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Besides the whole "invading the neighbor" thing:
We don't care that they invaded, we care that they invaded a country we have some vested interest in because its close to Russia. Same reason Russia has and always will have an interest in Cuba, and why we freaked out about the Cuban Missile Crisis. We've had an issue with opposing powers operating even in the same hemisphere as us since the early 1800's
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Only one of them has 5000 nuclear weapons aimed at us.
We had nukes first and have had them pointed at Russia pretty much the entire time
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Only one of them is funding terrorism in the Middle East. Only one of them supports the communist governments in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Cuba that contribute to the chaos at our southern border. Only one of them is enhancing the military of North Korea, which endangers US troops in the Korean peninsula. Only one of them is a close ally of China, our #1 global threat.
Those are fair. But on the Middle East point, our invasion of Iraq was FAR less justified than Russia's current unjustified invasion of Ukraine, and I'd love to see anyone argue that it wasn't
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The fact that you see Ukraine and Russia as "Bugs Moran and Al Capone" just indicates that you have taken leave of your senses.
I don't think your "America = God, Russia = Satan" view is any more sensical than the Capone comparison
The point of my examples is that a lot of what Russia is now has been shaped by the uni-polar world the US created and ran for years, and we do a lot of the same shite Russia does. And thats not anti-American, thats realism. I don't think even half of our Presidents since WW2 have been good ones. That has consequences on a global scale when you're the country running things.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/28/24 at 2:59 pm to VolSquatch
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The point of my examples is that a lot of what Russia is now has been shaped by the uni-polar world the US created and ran for years, and we do a lot of the same shite Russia does. And thats not anti-American, thats realism.
Things Russia does that America will not
1. Ethnic cleansing
2. Kidnapping children and placing them in re-education camps
3. Kill domestic political opposition
4. Intentionally launch missiles at shopping malls
5. Shoot their own soldiers for retreating
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:01 pm to Tigeralum2008
Now there's an actual argument
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:06 pm to Tigeralum2008
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1. Ethnic cleansing
2. Kidnapping children and placing them in re-education camps
3. Kill domestic political opposition
4. Intentionally launch missiles at shopping malls
5. Shoot their own soldiers for retreating
They are also hanging them in trees and leaving them in pits for days on end as a form of punishment.
Fun times fighting for Mother Russia.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:53 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Only one of them has 5000 nuclear weapons aimed at us
We have resorted to "throw shite at the wall and hope it sticks" once again. What in the hell does Russia's nuclear capability have to do with the regional conflict in Ukraine? That's what we maintain our nuclear triad deterrent system for - theirs and other countries nuclear threat. Quite successfully, I might add.
Let's analyze your statement: it's your contention that if Putin wins in Ukraine we are more susceptible to Russian nuclear attack? "Comrades, as soon as we successfully conclude our glorious campaign in Ukraine, I am incinerating Schenectady, New York!" I guess Russian ICBMs that have been housed in Russian silos all these years can only actually reach us from Ukraine??? Their submarine launched rockets depend on some gee-whiz bang guidance system that will only work from Ukrainian territory??? Help me out here, I'm struggling to connect the dots on how the outcome of a conventional conflict whose outcome in no way, shape, or form affects us negatively somehow makes us more vulnerable to strategic nuclear attack.
Or, better yet, slow down, take a deep breath, and realize that you don't have a point. You just toss out a neo-con/liberal word salad and hope no one actually takes your statement to its logical conclusion and shows you what absolute fricking drivel it is.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:58 pm to GOP_Tiger
You are closely aligned with Chaim "Bill" Kristol, the Bidens, the CIA, the MIC, the EU, and the Kagans.
There is literally a 0.0% chance that yours is the right side.
There is literally a 0.0% chance that yours is the right side.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:08 pm to VolSquatch
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Now there's an actual argument
It all started at the end of WW2 when Russia conquered and didn’t retreat after the war was over, and kept their armies on the West’s doorstep.
They built the iron curtain and threatened to starve free Berlin. Their tanks and soldiers kept their captive nations.
That’s why we pointed nukes at them. That’s why NATO was formed.
When N Korea invaded S Korea Russia didn’t join most of the world to stop the N Koreans. Instead they aided the North sending supplies, planes and pilots to kill Americans.
We kept our nukes at ready.
It went on and on. Sure they changed names, but they didn’t change.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:14 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Help me out here, I'm struggling to connect the dots on how the outcome of a conventional conflict whose outcome in no way, shape, or form affects us negatively somehow makes us more vulnerable to strategic nuclear attack.
It doesn't. His point was that Putin's Russia is our enemy and any chance we have to weaken that enemy, at 10 cents on the dollar, should be taken.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:22 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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You just toss out a neo-con/liberal word salad
I get bingo!
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:24 pm to SirWinston
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You are closely aligned with Chaim "Bill" Kristol, the Bidens, the CIA, the MIC, the EU, and the Kagans.
Good on you for getting that bit of anti-Semitism in, mate!
Y'all, remember that SirWinston, who constantly repeats racist and anti-Semitic filth, is among those here accusing Ukraine of "Nazism."
It's hilarious. It's why I appreciate you, SirWinston. If you didn't exist, someone would have to invent you for everyone's amusement.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:25 pm to doubleb
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When N Korea invaded S Korea Russia didn’t join most of the world to stop the N Koreans
And instead of vetoing the Security Council resolution, they abstained in some kind of weird virtue signalling gesture about it not being legitimate. A tremendous frickup on their part.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why is it incumbent upon the USA to get involved?
It's almost certain that prior to the invasion Putin convinced himself that the US would not get involved. That was his biggest miscalculation. It's highly likely that the recent reasons given in this thread for "non involvement" are similar to Putin's faulty reasoning. Thanks for the insight, I guess.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 2/28/24 at 5:25 pm to SirWinston
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SirWinston
You are closely aligned with Iran which is actively trying to kill Americans. You are also closely aligned with North Korea has only signed a cease fire with the USA and the UK. You really are a dumbass and an embarrassment to humanity.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 5:43 pm to WeeWee
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SirWinston
You are closely aligned with Iran which is actively trying to kill Americans. You are also closely aligned with North Korea has only signed a cease fire with the USA and the UK. You really are a dumbass and an embarrassment to humanity.
None of this is a surprise with this guy. He actively espouses to hate America and brags about how he is leaving as soon as he can.
He hasn't decided about which 3rd world dump to move to yet. But it will be somewhere he can predate on "tasty young birds" to abate his social, financial, and romantic frustrations with life here in America.
It's all in his post history.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 5:59 pm to No Colors
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SirWinston
You are closely aligned with Iran which is actively trying to kill Americans. You are also closely aligned with North Korea has only signed a cease fire with the USA and the UK. You really are a dumbass and an embarrassment to humanity.
None of this is a surprise with this guy. He actively espouses to hate America and brags about how he is leaving as soon as he can.
He hasn't decided about which 3rd world dump to move to yet. But it will be somewhere he can predate on "tasty young birds" to abate his social, financial, and romantic frustrations with life here in America.
It's all in his post history.
I don't know what is more creepy. All of that or the fact that you know all of that?
Posted on 2/28/24 at 6:07 pm to WeeWee
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don't know what is more creepy. All of that or the fact that you know all of that?
I'm not the America hating deviant, so I'm gonna go with you
Posted on 2/28/24 at 6:10 pm to LeClerc
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His point was that Putin's Russia is our enemy and any chance we have to weaken that enemy, at 10 cents on the dollar, should be taken.
And you’ve done the opposite, you’ve made them stronger and more self sufficient.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 6:14 pm to SirWinston
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SirWinston
And you think that Mulvaney dude is pretty.
You and Putin can tag team him.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 6:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
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His point was that Putin's Russia is our enemy and any chance we have to weaken that enemy, at 10 cents on the dollar, should be taken. And you’ve done the opposite, you’ve made them stronger and more self sufficient.
If by stronger than you mean a laughing stock for the world and if by self sufficient you mean utterly dependent on China then you are correct.
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