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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
If the Czechs are serious about being able to get their hands on 800,000 shells is true then that should be priority #1 for Europe even if the U.S. is currently on the sidelines. European countries were already behind in their own production of artillery shells than what they planned so this would seem to be a way of bailing them out as well as helping to give Ukraine a fighting chance against massed enemy attacks. The last thing I want to hear is that NATO without the U.S. can’t afford to pay up the price for these shells because everyone knows that’s complete bullshite. Artillery buys time and time is what Ukraine needs more than anything right now. When the 110th Mechanized’s artillery guns started to fall silent on the northern flank of Avdiivka for lack of shells is really when it all went to shite and the rout was on. If they had been able to keep up a reasonable rate of fire the Russians wouldn’t have been able to advance as fast as they were able to in the end and the retreat wouldn’t have been as much of a shitshow.
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:48 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russian authorities have reportedly returned Ukrainian children in occupied Ukraine and Russia to relatives in Ukraine.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:02 pm to SirWinston
frick I hate feeding the troll but you make me fricking sick. You believe that for one and then you put a picture up like Putin is a man of God and not a stone faced midget ex KGB cold blooded killer. Even if he did return kids, HE frickING KIDNAPPED THEM TO BEGIN WITH!!!!! Seriously just do me a favor and take a walk in the middle of the interstate at rush hour please. Thanks.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:14 pm to StormyMcMan
Time for Euro Leeches to pay. USA has carried the financial burden for NATO for decades. They are only paying incrementally more now because of Russia attacking Ukraine. They failed from 2014 to 2022 to meet their OBLIGATIONS, except for a few countries. They can pay for their own defense now.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:19 pm to LSUPilot07
Zelenskyy literally let a US citizen be killed after we gave him over $100 billion in cash.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:01 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:per stormy
Actual financial assistance sent from the US to Ukraine is $26.4B
Per US Congress:
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How much has the US agreed to spend on Ukraine? So far, Congress has approved about $113 billion in aid to Ukraine, according to calculations by the US State Department Office of Inspector General and the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
And your percentage of gdp is nonsense, tell ukraine we gave 113 billion which is far greater than Latvias percentage of gdp in real dollars/cold hard cash. Ya cant load a gun with gdp percentages.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:04 pm to trinidadtiger
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So far, Congress has approved about $113 billion in aid to Ukraine,
Biden let some of that expire before it was spent.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:24 pm to CitizenK
God there are some super pussies on here. Thank God we didn’t have you in WW2 are we would be speaking German. In Vietnam, we use to just shot you mfers. In the Cold War, much much worse.
That’s the real problem with this country way too much stupidity and pussification. We need a cleansing
That’s the real problem with this country way too much stupidity and pussification. We need a cleansing
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:27 pm to TutHillTiger
They're not pussies, their team is against this so they're against it.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:00 pm to TutHillTiger
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Thank God we didn’t have you in WW2 are we would be speaking German
Oh no your great grandkids might not be transgender, the horror
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
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A bill can be brought to the House floor by using a discharge petition. It only requires a majority of the House to sign it. I believe that will happen. B there's no way for speaker Johnson to block it ... at least, that I know of.
So how does this work. The house Dems plus some number of house republicans, maybe just a few retiring ones, bring the senate bill to a vote through a discharge petition?
Or does the house bring its own bill through a discharge petition?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:53 am to ned nederlander
This whole thread is just masturbating to war porn.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 3:27 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:31 am to ned nederlander
The discharge petition is a public petition to bring a bill to the House floor. In this case, it would likely be started by Hakeem Jeffries, the Minority Leader. Most Democrats would sign, but the Israel aid in the bill means that most of The Squad will not -- AOC has already said that she will not sign.
So, about 10 Republican members would have to sign. The last time the House voted on Ukraine aid, there were over 70 GOP votes in favor, so I can't imagine that 10 will be all that difficult.
Normally, discharge petitions are rare, because members of a party don't normally want to embarrass their party leaders. They normally would fear losing committee assignments or projects for their districts. But this is not a normal Congress, and the Speaker is relatively powerless to do those things.
Besides the many GOP hawks who support Ukraine, you have to keep in mind that, despite the fact that Congress is more gerrymandered than ever, there are still something like 20-40 Republicans in swing districts, and support for Ukraine is overwhelmingly popular, as we saw with the recent Pew poll. A failure to support Ukraine would be a significant campaign issue for their opponents.
That's why you should bet on the House passing the bill.
So, about 10 Republican members would have to sign. The last time the House voted on Ukraine aid, there were over 70 GOP votes in favor, so I can't imagine that 10 will be all that difficult.
Normally, discharge petitions are rare, because members of a party don't normally want to embarrass their party leaders. They normally would fear losing committee assignments or projects for their districts. But this is not a normal Congress, and the Speaker is relatively powerless to do those things.
Besides the many GOP hawks who support Ukraine, you have to keep in mind that, despite the fact that Congress is more gerrymandered than ever, there are still something like 20-40 Republicans in swing districts, and support for Ukraine is overwhelmingly popular, as we saw with the recent Pew poll. A failure to support Ukraine would be a significant campaign issue for their opponents.
That's why you should bet on the House passing the bill.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:03 am to GOP_Tiger
Sweden is announcing a new $900 million aid package today, including 35 CV-90 IFVs, 10 fast-attack boats, 20 smaller boats, some TOW missiles, ambulances, and a lot of 155mm shells.
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The support package, which is the 15th in a row, will be presented at two press conferences on Tuesday. It is intended to be an important signal to Ukraine, Russia and the rest of the Western world about long-term Swedish support for Ukraine's defense struggle.
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:11 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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This whole thread is just masturbating to war porn.
Nobody is forcing you to read or post in it.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:38 am to WeeWee
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
20 February 2024
Within the past week Russian forces have taken control of Avdiivka as well as the coke plant situated to the north of the town, both of which have been heavily contested since October 2023 and have been on the front line since 2014.
Ukrainian forces have withdrawn to defensive positions west of Avdiivka.
It is likely that Russian forces lack the combat effectiveness to immediately exploit the capture of Avdiivka and will require a period of rest and refit. In coming weeks Russia will likely seek to gradually extend its territorial control beyond Avdiivka.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
20 February 2024
Within the past week Russian forces have taken control of Avdiivka as well as the coke plant situated to the north of the town, both of which have been heavily contested since October 2023 and have been on the front line since 2014.
Ukrainian forces have withdrawn to defensive positions west of Avdiivka.
It is likely that Russian forces lack the combat effectiveness to immediately exploit the capture of Avdiivka and will require a period of rest and refit. In coming weeks Russia will likely seek to gradually extend its territorial control beyond Avdiivka.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:46 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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This whole thread is just masturbating to war porn
I guess that means you’re here to be the pivot point.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 5:47 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:15 am to trinidadtiger
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far greater than Latvias percentage of gdp
Again, you can disagree that the US is giving aid, but at least use facts. Latvia is at 1.2% of GDP and the US is at 0.32%
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Ya cant load a gun with gdp percentages.
And you can't load it with "cold hard cash" either. So are you now agreeing that the US hasn't providing "over $100B in cash" to Ukraine?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:28 am to Hateradedrink
quote:Good point Drink, but I gotta disagree. We cannot negotiate with a psychopath such as Putin. As soon as we even use the N word with Putin, we’ve already lost. These types of individuals never uphold their end of any bargain and enter into ‘negotiation’ only to buy time to strengthen their position. They then continue right where they left off prior to the ‘agreement’. Don’t take my word for it, ask the people in the Baltic States, Finland, Poland and Romania. They have lived and suffered with the Russians in their back yards for over a century.
I’ve been supporting a negotiated settlement here once it became obvious the Biden administration was afraid of victory.
This war will end only when Putin and his supporters are dead or permanently removed from power. That will take a months-long Ukrainian cruise missile campaign next year hitting every military-related target in Russia. Not only every military base west of Vladivostok, but also every refinery, oil storage depot, airport, rail yard, port, bridge, and each and every manufacturing site that can support the Russian war effort. All flattened and flattened again. Only then will this war end – not with any negotiation but with an unconditional surrender. Boots on their throats for the next 40 years, until a couple of generations of Russian children have a Western outlook on living with their neighbors.
If you’re worried about nukes, don’t be. The Russians are bullies, used to their cowardly hybrid warfare. They know what will happen to them and all their overseas bank accounts if they so much as flip off a safety switch. If you think the Russians (and Chinese) were shocked at all their hypersonic missiles getting shot down, just wait to see what they think when they see what happens to their nukes – weapons that the Western air defense was designed to eliminate.
But you’ll have to look fast, they won’t be in a position to think very long.
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