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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:40 pm to
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:40 pm to
Hey I wanted to apologize to you. Sorry about some of the comments I made.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:16 am to
By the way, my milk carton has a new face -
quote:

"Admiral Sokolov, who hasn't been seen for 133 days, is probably 'conferring' somewhere with General Gerasimov, who hasn't been seen for 55 days," wrote military expert and intelligence studies professor Fred Hoffman
Have any of you seen our guy Valery lately?

Not here...

No, not here...

Nope, sorry.

That's a damned shame.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:25 am to
quote:

He absolutely wants to live on his knees. He wants a dictator like Putin because he thinks that he can kneel before the power and then get to be a kommissar and punish people with whom he dislikes.


You can criticize me for many things. I am selfish. I am narcissistic. I can be a huge a-hole. I am definitely not a coward.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 12:41 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:17 am to
quote:


The good news is that the American public still overwhelmingly supports Ukraine, including a strong majority of Republicans.



This graphic is from the same PEW report


Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:22 am to
Air Force: Ukraine shoots down 2 Russian fighter jets

by Nate Ostiller and The Kyiv Independent news desk February 19, 2024 12:19 PM

Ukraine shot down two Russian fighter jets on the morning of Feb. 19, the Air Force reported.

According to the Air Force, the two planes were a Su-34 and a Su-35c.

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
@CinC_AFU

This morning, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed two russian planes that were attacking the positions of our troops with guided air bombs.
One Su-34 fighter-bomber and one Su-35S fighter.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 4:30 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:36 am to
Russian sources already confirming the Su-35. No confirmation yet on the Su-34.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 5:46 am to
Is that the 5th and possibly 6th shot down in the past 72 hrs?

3, 1, 1 or 2 in consecutive days?
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:11 am to
Really fascinating how Israel vs. Hamas is much less relevant geopolitically but Americans are more concerned with it. We just can’t quit obsessing over the sandbox.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:57 am to
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You think Russia wants a shooting war with NATO and Poland?

Are you in second grade?



Hmm... interesting that you extrapolate Russia
"wanting" a shooting war with NATO from my statement and then question me being in the 2nd grade..
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:20 am to
NBC News:

Biden administration is leaning toward supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles

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MUNICH — After months of requests from Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration is working toward providing Ukraine with powerful new long-range ballistic missiles, according to two U.S. officials.

Late last year, the U.S. began to supply Ukraine with Army Tactical Missile Systems, known as ATACMS, but so far it has provided only the older medium-range ATACMS. Now, the U.S. is leaning toward sending the longer-range version of the missile, the officials said, which would allow Ukraine to strike farther inside the Russian-held Crimean Peninsula.

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If Congress approves more funding for Ukraine, the U.S. could include the long-range ATACMS in one of the first packages of military aid paid for with that money, according to the two U.S. officials. The U.S. also has ammunition and artillery ready to send to Ukraine immediately if the funding is approved, the officials added.

quote:

The officials did not rule out asking allies to provide the missiles to Ukraine, as well, and replenishing their ATACM stockpiles.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.



Long-range ATACMS, of course, can reach all of Crimea and further threaten Russian military installations on the peninsula.

Some ranges of different weapons, though Ukraine will likely be prohibited from using them inside Russia:

This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 9:24 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:33 am to
Also, if the US provides long-range ATACMS, then Germany will likely provide Taurus.

These tools will significantly change the strategic balance in Crimea. Remember, for Ukraine, Crimea is decisive. Ukraine could survive without retaking Mariupol. It wants Crimea more.

When the Kerch Bridge is taken out decisively, and when Russian supply ships are all at the bottom of the ocean, then the prospect of a 2025 offensive that takes Crimea becomes much more realistic.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:38 am to
Also, keep in mind that Lockheed already has PrSM in production for the US Army, and PrSM has passed every test so far. It will take a while to make large numbers of PrSM, but the point is that ATACMS is already old tech that is being replaced.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:49 am to
Nothing quite like landing, turning my phone back on to see the notice that another Su-35 and Su-34 have already bitten the dust. Patriot is doing WORK! I can promise you one thing without hesitation. Russian pilots are rattled right now. That’s one hell of an attrition rate they are dealing with and their best have already gone down. Now you’re getting the guys with not nearly as much seat time and even less combat time with the fear of a PAC-3 missile showing up out of nowhere up your arse. Also great news on the ATACMS. That will make Russian naval bases and airfields in Crimea untenable for Russia. Now that makes things interesting. As far as the Kerch Bridge, when it was blown up by truck bomb that first time was that just a Ukrainian martyr who chose to die to take out the bridge or was it ever said? I’ve always wondered that.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:18 am to
quote:

As far as the Kerch Bridge, when it was blown up by truck bomb that first time was that just a Ukrainian martyr who chose to die to take out the bridge or was it ever said?


Everything I've read indicates that an unwitting Russian truck driver was killed in the operation. He had been hired to transport the cargo without knowing what it really was.
The bomb was activated remotely.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:07 am to
Even better.

Some bad news though I see that the Russian Mi-8 helicopter pilot that defected and landed his aircraft in Ukraine last year, Maxim Kuzminov, was found shot to death in Spain.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 11:11 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:17 am to
Ukraine will only grow weaker from here, so their leverage will only decrease over time. I don’t think there’s a scenario where they can negotiate from a position of strength. If there was one, it was the fall of 22.
Posted by No Colors
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:28 am to
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Ukraine will only grow weaker from here,


That's what wars do. They exhaust both sides. Wars are a barbaric waste of resources.

The question is: who has the political will to carry this out the longest? Can Russia keep assaulting trenches losing 500 men a day forever? And what will they gain by doing so?

This idea that Russia will just absorb 4 Ukrainian provinces and go on like nothing ever happened is a fantasy. Even at a stalemate the killing will go on until one government or the other collapses
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:31 am to
At what point if any would Ukraine consider using those long range missiles to target locations within Russia itself? Sure there would be blowback but it would completely rattle the enemy.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Ukraine will only grow weaker from here, so their leverage will only decrease over time. I don’t think there’s a scenario where they can negotiate from a position of strength. If there was one, it was the fall of 22.



If US aid were to remain halted, that might be true. But it's not. There's every reason to expect that a discharge petition will get the aid through the House.

And Ukraine already has a lot more aid coming. There are still billions of military aid for which the Pentagon has not even issued the contracts yet. F-16s will be in the Ukrainian sky soon. Etc.

And Russia's leverage in the Black Sea decreases with every ship sunk. The Ukrainian economy was severely suppressed when nothing could get out of Odessa, but those days are over, and Ukrainian shipping is back to pre-war levels.

There are so many ways that Russia is still living on borrowed time. Just yesterday, for example, a Rossiya jet was stranded in Egypt, because they can't get parts for their Boeing and Airbus jets, and Russian commercial aviation will slowly be forced to wind down.

As things stand, Russia cannot continue the war indefinitely, nor can Ukraine. But the long war favors the side with the greater financial resources. Ukraine can win if the West continues to support it.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:57 pm to
Has anyone committed on how the Ukrainian army can disengage from combat and withdraw without leaving a huge amount of supplies and equipment behind?
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