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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:58 pm to
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The USA has dropped a lot more bombs than Russia has ...

How do think we're perceived?


Our allies have perceived the US as the defender of the free world, just as they have since the end of WWII.

Russia/USSR has viewed the US as an enemy during that entire time. At no point during that time were they ever willing to give up strategic opposition to the US and NATO. For Russia, it has been more important to be a "great power" than to consider giving up that opposition and enjoying the prosperity that would come with true peace with Europe/USA.

It's the same with the mullahs in Tehran: we are "The Great Satan," just as we have been since 1979.


The only difference now is that a significant chunk of Americans have decided to take the side of our enemies.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:22 pm to
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Exactly. Thank you very much for seeing the real meaning of Trump’s words in that situation. He only thought it was fair that the rest of NATO countries pull their shared weight in how much $$ they are supposed to provide.


100% pure fantasy.

LINK

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“Look, I was there when he almost withdrew, and he’s not negotiating,” said Bolton, who served as Trump’s national security adviser. “His goal here is not to strengthen NATO, it’s to lay the groundwork to get out.”


Trump admires dictators such as Kim Jong-Un and Mohammed bin Salman because he would like to be a dictator himself. Things such as the checks and balances in our Constitution are what he calls the Deep State.

But really, what matters most is who flatters Trump the best.

In his last term, Trump had people such as Bolton, Haley, Mattis, and Kelly around to moderate his extreme impulses. Those kind of people would not be around in Trump 2nd term.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:25 pm to
That’s cool, agree to disagree. It’s what our country is built on. Give me the guy that at least knows what he had for breakfast, plain and simple.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted by REG861
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:55 pm to
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The USA has dropped a lot more bombs than Russia has ... How do think we're perceived?


Iran, China and North Korea perceive us as enemies too. All your bullshite Neville chamberlain handwringing could be applied to those countries. I’m sure the Chinese think we provoked them with Taiwan, North Korea with South Korea, etc. You can get on your knees for them and beg for forgiveness if you want.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:00 pm to
In actual war news, Russia has cut the last real road into what used to be Avdiivka. Ukraine still has some dirt roads that it can use, but options are dwindling for the defense of the area.




In light of the above, the new comments from Syrskyi are very interesting:

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Oleksandr Syrskyi: "The Russian army is now advancing along the entire front, the situation can be called complicated. The Ukrainian army has shifted from offensive actions to defense, the purpose of which is to inflict maximum losses on the Russian Federation."

The new AFU commander-in-chief called the main value of soldiers' lives, and therefore, according to him, he is "ready to retreat from some position rather than sacrifice all personnel".


LINK



Those comments are certainly made in view of Syrskyi's reputation from Bakhmut and the Ukrainians who have referred to him as a butcher for his insistence on defending that area.

Other reports that I've read have indicated that Ukrainian artillery units are now getting more shells. The rumor is that Zaluzhny had started stockpiling again for another offensive, but Syrskyi is now determined to focus on defense, so there's no more stockpiling for now.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:02 pm to
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In his last term, Trump had people such as Bolton, Haley, Mattis, and Kelly around to moderate his extreme impulses

Pence also.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:17 pm to
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In his last term, Trump had people such as Bolton, Haley, Mattis, and Kelly around to moderate his extreme impulses. Those kind of people would not be around in Trump 2nd term.

He also surrounded himself with career D.C. shitheads, mostly Dubya's retreads, that tried to cut him off at the knees at every turn.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:48 pm to
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He also surrounded himself with career D.C. shitheads, mostly Dubya's retreads, that tried to cut him off at the knees at every turn.


The problem was even his campaign was thinking major loss until they saw polling numbers for the Bernie Bros who stayed home. It was only two weeks before the election his campaign saw a possible victory. Credit to him to work his tail off even with that. There had not been any thought into who to appoint to all the positions, way more than just a cabinet. That came from a personal friend in his 2016 campaign.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:53 pm to
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How do think we're perceived?


Post WW2 Russia dominated Eastern Europe with their armies. They put their puppets in place, formed the iron curtain and built the Berlin Wall.

As time passed the Communist governments weakened economically and military to the point where the Russians could no longer dominate Eastern Europe. Countries became independent, Germany was unified, and the Russian bear was forced into hibernation.

So how were we perceived? What did all those European countries do? Did they cling to mother Russia? Or did most of them lined up to get into NATO?

Despite what the Putin backers say we must be perceived favorably, and to demonstrate that I can point to the recent decision of Sweden and Finland to get into NATO.

I realize we have issues here at home, and we have a pitiful president; however, we are still seen as a staunch defender of the West against Russian imperialism. The US isn’t nearly as weak as you guys who make Putin into a modern day Andrew Jackson really believe.



This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:55 pm to
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Well its very well documented via numerous annual summit meetings how Russia perceived NATO expansion towards their borders. Putin made it very clear.


Show us the “documents” please and quit playing Putin said.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 8:23 pm
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
17727 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:08 pm to
There’s no doubt that the Eastern European states who joined NATO are 1000x’s better today than when they were members of the Warsaw Pact

NATO promoted economic growth while the other was a collection of Soviet Vassal states
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8426 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:16 pm to
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Our allies have perceived the US as the defender of the free world, just as they have since the end of WWII.


The same allies we subsidize for defense?

Yeah, I bet they do

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For Russia, it has been more important to be a "great power" than to consider giving up that opposition and enjoying the prosperity that would come with true peace with Europe/USA.


I think in their minds they would have ended up as a neutered energy and natural resource farm for the west. And that might not be entirely inaccurate.

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The only difference now is that a significant chunk of Americans have decided to take the side of our enemies.



I'm on the side of American needs over Ukrainian needs, not Russians over Ukrainians in some conflict that doesn't impact me at all. I do think the right has largely gotten a little too into the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" concept of late though.

Its also an absolute tragedy if there really was a peace deal in place that Boris Johnson stopped though. An entire generation of Ukrainians dead when that deal is likely the absolute best case outcome for Ukraine in any deal completed now.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:36 pm to
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Poliboard simping full time for Russia today.

I peeked at that thread last night.

They are pathetic. one guy said that they(Russia) uphold Christian values and that makes it a better country than ours.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16132 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:54 pm to
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I think in their minds they would have ended up as a neutered energy and natural resource farm for the west. And that might not be entirely inaccurate.


Yet it was paid for and built using money from the West as well as technology from the West. Without that, Russia is one broke arse nation though not as bad as Sri Lanka. Russia ran a huge PR and lobbying campaign to get Nordstream approval and even investment from suckers in Germany. It was always about hooking them politically. Now that natural gas is cheaper than pre Feb 2022, it didn't work as planned.

All of Putin's claims about the West encroachment, didn't stop him from allying with NATO for several years until he refused to doing what it takes to become a full member.
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:56 pm to
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They are pathetic. one guy said that they(Russia) uphold Christian values and that makes it a better country than ours


Aside from career and wealth-building opportunities, citizenship issues and a tricky language barrier, Russia is but one of a handful of nations that is superior to the United Sates for white Christian men with traditional values. I'd add Croatia, Hungary, Argentina, Uruguay, and perhaps still Poland, Czech, and Serbia to the list. I might even add fully woke countries like Netherlands, Austria, Germany and Switz, etc. simply due to their far superior demographics.

Our economy is so vast and powerful in the US that it tips the scale too much to consider leaving. But we're hurtling towards a very dystopian future and at some point during my life I expect the grass to truly be greener in another country.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21192 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:58 pm to
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Russia is but a handful of nations that is superior to the United Sates for white Christian men with traditional values


When did kleptocracy become a traditional white, Christian value
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:01 pm to
I addressed that in my post.
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:05 pm to
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But we're hurtling towards a very dystopian future and at some point during my life I expect the grass to truly be greener in another country.


Bill Maher comically addresses this exact subject in last week's version of New Rules.


YouTube
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:05 pm to
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How does it feel to be on the same side as Iran who is actively killing Americans? 


Why do they hate us?

Because WE'RE THERE!

They wouldn't be killing Americans if we weren't there.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:08 pm to
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But, hey, at least both Cassidy and Kennedy voted for the supplemental last night, as it officially cleared the Senate and goes on to the House. There are still a few Republicans who don't want the alliance of Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea to rule the world.


They are rightfully reviled by a healthy majority of Republicans who are paying attention. John Cornyn is done in Tejas after his vote. Done. Just like your boys Romney, Kinzinger, and Liz Cheney.

Cassidy and Kennedy can probably forge ahead bc the average LA voter is poorly informed (even on the "Republican" side).

Sad that you're too into being a cocktail party pseudo intellectual "Republican" to understand that working class conservative populism is our only hope to save the America we grew up in.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 4:12 pm
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