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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:30 pm to
Member when Russia wanted to join NATO. I member
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:43 pm to
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Looks like the new Ukrainian commander is going to pull another Bakhmut which is what he’s famous for.


Syrskyi was also in command at Debaltseve in 2015.

3,000 men probably died in the retreat there.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21192 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:54 pm to
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Ukrainian border guards said on Feb. 11 that they had brought down a quadcopter carrying 22.5 kilograms of hashish with an estimated value of Hr 13 million ($346,000).

15k a kilo for hash??? Apparently I know what business I'm starting over there when this war is over.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105496 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 6:12 pm to
Poliboard simping full time for Russia today. Tucker accomplished his mission.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17613 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 6:41 pm to
The FSB are laughing their asses off at the “big brain” maga morons. We need another Reagan to right this ship.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8662 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:08 pm to
According to an article in Forbes (paywall so no link), Ukraine has destroyed 10% of all the tanks Russia has deployed in country just around Avdiivka. Not counting the entire rest of the line. Typical Russian doctrine though, soldiers are replaceable and not of consequence.
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3024 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:16 pm to
Where was the honor in 2014?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21037 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:52 pm to
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Poliboard simping full time for Russia today. Tucker accomplished his mission.



Yep. Much of MAGA has just gone full traitor.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21037 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:04 pm to
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Yep. Much of MAGA has just gone full traitor.



The good news is that such views increasingly isolate them from the opinions of most Americans. The average Joe still knows that Russia has 5000 nuclear weapons aimed at us, and that helping the Norks and the Mullahs is absolutely opposed to the American interest.

The Senate is going to give final passage to the supplemental aid bill tonight -- likely something like 4:00 AM.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:05 pm to
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We never signed any formal agreement with either the USSR or Russia stating that NATO wouldn't expand.


No. We gave them our WORD.



No. The GHWB administration gave them their word. The Clinton administration changed direction, GWB, Obama, Trump, and Biden have all had a different opinion on the issue.

If we were worried about the credibility of a country's word, how do you explain Russia saying it had no intention to invade Ukraine and then invading Ukraine?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16134 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:07 pm to
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Yep. Much of MAGA has just gone full traitor.


What they and the left don't get is that Trump is always negotiating. If you take his statements at face value, you've already lost. He always leaves a way out and the funny thing is that the cult will follow his decision even when they've been thinking the opposite. The Never Trumpers will be aghast and left in the dust.

Interesting that my anti Putin Russian CEO friend gets this easy as pie and laughs about it.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21037 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:37 pm to
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the cult will follow his decision even when they've been thinking the opposite.


Yep. If Trump said tomorrow that we need to help Ukraine more because Russia is the ally of China and Iran, then guys like SirWinston would piss on Putin so fast.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105496 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 10:05 pm to
Winston is doing a schtick. Some of the other ones are serious.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 10:34 pm to
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Poliboard simping full time for Russia today. Tucker accomplished his mission.


Yep. Much of MAGA has just gone full traitor.


~20 idiots on TD do not represent all of Trump supporters. The normal Trump supporters have moved to the sane car of the Trump train. Come on in and have a beer and laugh at Nicki Haley lose her home state.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8662 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:16 pm to
I’m a Trump supporter and i support giving aid to Ukraine. I’ve said it several times on here. You can be one and believe in the other. Don’t think for a second that Trump wouldn’t send weapons to Ukraine if Putin tried to hardball Trump in peace negotiations if he were to win the election. The one good thing about Trump’s ego is that he doesn’t like to lose or lose face. He knows we have the bigger stick when it comes down to it. Putin has his economy on a war footing and that won’t be great for the economy the longer it goes on edie silly when all their $5 million dollar tanks and vehicles being produced are just getting blown up by a $5K FPV drone with an RPG tied to it. They are being forced to use export T-90 tanks to help fill their ranks too which means a T-90 not sold to another country is no money for Russia.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26917 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:52 pm to
Trump has said that if Putin doesn't make a deal, that Ukraine gets enough weapons to crush the demoralized Russian Army in Ukraine.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4628 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:22 am to
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Don’t think for a second that Trump wouldn’t send weapons to Ukraine if Putin tried to hardball Trump in peace negotiations if he were to win the election.
Not getting into the concepts of psychopathy here but neither Trump nor Putin negotiate. They use the rules of negotiation to get the other party to make concessions but never uphold their side of the bargain. Never. That's for suckers.

Trump would make a PR exercise out of any agreement with Putin but afterwards would avoid the whole mess. Meanwhile, Putin would quickly return to the hybrid war against Ukraine which in time would be followed by open fighting. Just as it is now, with the only difference being that Putin would be re-armed and the US/NATO may have Donbas Fatigue by then. Certainly Trump has never shown that he has the character to fight the Russians.

No, there is no negotiation with a psychopath like Putin. We either stand on his throat or we lose.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24287 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:34 am to
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If we were worried about the credibility of a country's word, how do you explain Russia saying it had no intention to invade Ukraine and then invading Ukraine?


1994 Trilateral Statement
"The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, ands earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances." Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium.
Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.


Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:34 am to
We pity you sheep.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:35 am to
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We pity you sheep.


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SirWinston



You are the sheep. Wait that is an insult to sheep. You are a retarded sheep.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 3:37 am
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