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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/19/23 at 6:58 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 9/19/23 at 6:58 pm to LSUPilot07
I don’t know why Ukraine doesn’t use mercenaries.
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Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
While I see your rational, it were short sighted.
History has shown twice now that a war in Europe has drawn in both American solders and spending., both at way too high of a cost.
After WWII, NATO was formed for 2 reasons. 1st, to deter the USSR and secondly to prevent a 3rd war on the continent. Leaders at the time figured it was cheaper in both lives and dollars, to pledge to defend Europe at the risk of another arms race in Europe. And it has worked. No NATO country has been attacked.
We were not a world power prior to WWII, but we were afterwards and thanks to the war not Beijing fought in our soil, we explained as the world power by trade and rebuilding what WWII destroyed.
To walk away from NATO and Europe will cause Europe to re-arm, which is not a benefit to the US. But Europe does need to meet they 2% requirements…..
History has shown twice now that a war in Europe has drawn in both American solders and spending., both at way too high of a cost.
After WWII, NATO was formed for 2 reasons. 1st, to deter the USSR and secondly to prevent a 3rd war on the continent. Leaders at the time figured it was cheaper in both lives and dollars, to pledge to defend Europe at the risk of another arms race in Europe. And it has worked. No NATO country has been attacked.
We were not a world power prior to WWII, but we were afterwards and thanks to the war not Beijing fought in our soil, we explained as the world power by trade and rebuilding what WWII destroyed.
To walk away from NATO and Europe will cause Europe to re-arm, which is not a benefit to the US. But Europe does need to meet they 2% requirements…..
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:16 pm to tigeraddict
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History has shown twice now that a war in Europe has drawn in both American solders and spending., both at way too high of a cost. After WWII, NATO was formed for 2 reasons. 1st, to deter the USSR and secondly to prevent a 3rd war on the continent. Leaders at the time figured it was cheaper in both lives and dollars, to pledge to defend Europe at the risk of another arms race in Europe. And it has worked. No NATO country has been attacked. We were not a world power prior to WWII, but we were afterwards and thanks to the war not Beijing fought in our soil, we explained as the world power by trade and rebuilding what WWII destroyed. To walk away from NATO and Europe will cause Europe to re-arm, which is not a benefit to the US. But Europe does need to meet they 2% requirements…..
I’m aware of this theory. And I just don’t buy it anymore. It may have held some water from 1945 to 1980ish but it doesn’t anymore. And even then you can’t unequivocally say that all of our economic and diplomatic might is because we guaranteed the defense of Europe for the past 75 years.
The rest of the world was absolutely wrecked and destroyed by WWII. NATO or not the US would have been the dominant superpower afterwards. The rest of the planet was rebuilding from the rubble…or was in Africa.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
The Armenians are dumber than the Palestinians, they had decades to annex this territory, and build a force that could defend it. They didn't. Their only realistic ally in the region is Russia, or to a lesser degree, Iran, but they've pissed off the Russians by repeatedly insulting the Russians, and by trying to become a NATO satellite, which Moscow probably found pretty annoying. NATO was, never going to swoop in and save the Armenians, everyone in the region should understand what NATO won't do after the Georgian War, especially with the Turks backing Azerbaijan, but Yerevan, they did it anyway.
And now they're telling Moscow they expect the Russians to defend them?
These people are morons.
And now they're telling Moscow they expect the Russians to defend them?
These people are morons.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:30 pm to tigeraddict
The US economy is dependent on our status as the world's hegemon. Our armed forces in places such as Europe, the Marshall Islands, and Korea are a key part of that.
When people say that they want us out of NATO and want our troops out of Europe, what they are really saying is they want to crash the US economy. There's just a very basic lack of understanding of economics.
When people say that they want us out of NATO and want our troops out of Europe, what they are really saying is they want to crash the US economy. There's just a very basic lack of understanding of economics.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:34 pm to GOP_Tiger
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When people say that they want us out of NATO and want our troops out of Europe, what they are really saying is they want to crash the US economy. There's just a very basic lack of understanding of economics.
Nah. Europe can take care of themselves and still trade with us. I do support using our military might to counter China though. Bigger navy, bigger Air Force and a more robust space force all forward deployed in the western pacific.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:37 pm to Lima Whiskey
Historically Azerbaijan military functions like a monkey trying to hump a football. They have to cut off the corridor to Iran before Iran sends help to Armenia.
The area is a cluster fark of competing nations where religion doesn't seem to matter in which nation allies with which nation.
The area is a cluster fark of competing nations where religion doesn't seem to matter in which nation allies with which nation.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The US economy is dependent on our status as the world's hegemon
As it is now, I agree.
I'm not sure that I personally benefit greatly from the US being the world's superpower and policeman. If the US cut out 90 percent of its foreign trade other than Mexico and Canada, after a period of adjustment, would we be better off?
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:41 pm to Lima Whiskey
You are the dumbest Russian that we have had in this thread, and that's no small feat.
How could little poor Armenia build a force to defend Karabakh, when the entire GDP of their nation is smaller that the defense budget of Azerbaijan?
Armenia was Russia's most slavishly loyal ally, until Russia broke every promise and did nothing to help Armenia in the 2020 Karabakh War with Azerbaijan. Since then, Armenia has been making noises about NATO, because they have seen that Russia's promises are worthless.
But you are correct that the Armenians have been morons. They were stupid for entrusting their security to Russia.
Armenia is just another Prigozhin who found out too late that making a deal with Putin is stupid.
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The Armenians are dumber than the Palestinians, they had decades to annex this territory, and build a force that could defend it. They didn't.
How could little poor Armenia build a force to defend Karabakh, when the entire GDP of their nation is smaller that the defense budget of Azerbaijan?
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Their only realistic ally in the region is Russia, or to a lesser degree, Iran, but they've pissed off the Russians by repeatedly insulting the Russians, and by trying to become a NATO satellite, which Moscow probably found pretty annoying.
Armenia was Russia's most slavishly loyal ally, until Russia broke every promise and did nothing to help Armenia in the 2020 Karabakh War with Azerbaijan. Since then, Armenia has been making noises about NATO, because they have seen that Russia's promises are worthless.
But you are correct that the Armenians have been morons. They were stupid for entrusting their security to Russia.
Armenia is just another Prigozhin who found out too late that making a deal with Putin is stupid.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:01 pm to CitizenK
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They are draining nothing.
Are you seriously contending that our economy is not in an inflationary state? Or, that we aren’t in out of control deficit spending? Actually, it’s not even arguable that we have drained the Treasury. We are spending money we don’t have. And you Zelensky fanboys want us to continue to send them 100s of billions of dollars? At a time when Russia couldn’t beat Vanderbilt and Western Europe is more than capable of handling their own affairs?
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:36 pm to Mr Happy
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If the US cut out 90 percent of its foreign trade other than Mexico and Canada, after a period of adjustment, would we be better off?
The US farm economy would go through a period of contraction that would make the 1980s look like a champagne brunch
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:39 pm to GOP_Tiger
Somehow, the US funds endless wars to maintain the petro dollar and also funds europes security which allows them to stay richer than us, simultaneously.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:47 pm to GOP_Tiger
Not sure if anyone has posted yet but Germany’s latest aid package:
30,000 155 mm HE shells
3,800 155 mm smoke shells
105,000 120 mm mortar shells
480 M26 A2 missiles for HIMARS/M270 which deploy 28 anti-tank mines
50 unmanned surface vessels
200 MRAPs
Mine clearing equipment
Pionierpanzer 2A1 engineering vehicles
Bergepanzer 2 armored recovery vehicles (based on Leopard 1 chassis)
Winter clothing
Generators
Spare parts for systems already in country
It’s getting time to start getting ready for winter. Russia will no doubt terror bomb civilians by taking out power stations again. Also, Germany has to do better with the artillery shell production. 30,000 shells is a week for the Ukrainians and that’s with them in conserve mode.
30,000 155 mm HE shells
3,800 155 mm smoke shells
105,000 120 mm mortar shells
480 M26 A2 missiles for HIMARS/M270 which deploy 28 anti-tank mines
50 unmanned surface vessels
200 MRAPs
Mine clearing equipment
Pionierpanzer 2A1 engineering vehicles
Bergepanzer 2 armored recovery vehicles (based on Leopard 1 chassis)
Winter clothing
Generators
Spare parts for systems already in country
It’s getting time to start getting ready for winter. Russia will no doubt terror bomb civilians by taking out power stations again. Also, Germany has to do better with the artillery shell production. 30,000 shells is a week for the Ukrainians and that’s with them in conserve mode.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 9/19/23 at 10:32 pm to LSUPilot07
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Also, Germany has to do better with the artillery shell production
That's an awfully choosey statement for a begger.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 10:50 pm to tigeraddict
Screw the EU, UK, & Europe
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:00 pm to crazy4lsu
Europeans laugh at Americans and despise us even after we support them with our military.
Leeches they are
Leeches they are
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Armenia was Russia's most slavishly loyal ally, until Russia broke every promise and did nothing to help Armenia in the 2020 Karabakh War with Azerbaijan.
Oh sweet Jesus.
Armenia doesn’t own it, legally, and they don’t even claim to. They never annexed it.
And they expect the Russians to defend it for them?
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How could little poor Armenia build a force to defend Karabakh, when the entire GDP of their nation is smaller that the defense budget of Azerbaijan?
Read a book. They defeated the Azeris in the first war, they broke them. And then they did nothing to cement their victory. And now, 29 years later, they’re losing everything they won. That’s on Yerevan.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:31 pm to LSU7096
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Europeans laugh at Americans and despise us even after we support them with our military.
All Europeans have the same views.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:42 pm to LSUPilot07
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Russia is down to using Cubans in the war.
Cowards, who uses other people in their wars.. besides the north in the civil war who brought in 400,000 Irish and Germans… meanwhile Ukraine is fighting all by themselves with no help from anyone. No help at all…
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:43 pm to MikeyFL
The real problem is that a hefty portion of “educated” Americans think the Europeans have it all figured out and we’re a bunch of backwards arse sister-frickers here in the US because we do t have free health care. Of course the average educated American is pretty fricking stupid. They live in bubbles and are incapable of critical thinking outside of what their sheltered professors told them to think. They can’t even fathom that the reason Europeans have such a nice safety net is that the American taxpayer rebuilt their continent from rubble after they got their shite kicked in by the Nazis. Then we maintained a massive military to protect them so they could give away all the entitlements to their weak arse population. Then we invested in technology and medicine and made virtually every significant advancement that humans have realized for the past 75 years. Frankly, Europe is an uncivilized backwards arse place that can’t even defend their own people.
And you had half the country and most of Europe declaring Angela fricking Merkel the leader of the free world just because a mean guy with Twitter was elected. Even though Trump was the first to give lethal aid to counter Putin while Merkel was busy blowing Vlad for natural gas because Germany is so fricking backwards they can’t even power their cities without help from daddy Russia.
It’s fricking comical to be honest.
And you had half the country and most of Europe declaring Angela fricking Merkel the leader of the free world just because a mean guy with Twitter was elected. Even though Trump was the first to give lethal aid to counter Putin while Merkel was busy blowing Vlad for natural gas because Germany is so fricking backwards they can’t even power their cities without help from daddy Russia.
It’s fricking comical to be honest.
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