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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:34 pm to cypher
Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:34 pm to cypher
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NEW YORK, Sept 20 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden plans to announce a $325 million military aid package for Ukraine on Thursday to coincide with a visit to Washington by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, a U.S. official said on Wednesday on condition of anonymity.
The weapons aid package was expected to include the second tranche of cluster munitions fired by a 155 millimeter Howitzer cannon, the U.S official said.
Other new weapons for Ukraine were expected to be announced around the time of Biden's meeting with Zelenskiy, but not ATACMS missiles which have been under discussion, the U.S. official said.
Extremely disappointing. The Biden administration still has north of $5 billion in Presidential Drawdown Authority that is going to expire at the end of the month, and Biden seems to be determined to give Ukraine just enough to keep them from losing, but not enough to win.
I was confident that ATACMS would be announced in conjunction with Zelensky's visit. Perhaps that will still happen.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Extremely disappointing. The Biden administration still has north of $5 billion in Presidential Drawdown Authority that is going to expire at the end of the month, and Biden seems to be determined to give Ukraine just enough to keep them from losing, but not enough to win.
Isn't that the US objective that you guys have always suspected was at play?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
Biden’s best course of action is a long and drawn out war that he can plunder at will with to fill his and his crackhead son’s coffers. ATACMS would not win the war but it would give them another big punch besides their limited supply of Storm Shadows and these don’t require keeping a half dozen aircraft safe and airworthy to launch them. If he’s still going to hold ATACMS he needs to at least give them M26 cluster rockets for HIMARS so they can hunt Russian artillery more effectively. The fact that we haven’t done this already with our stock of regular GMLRS rockets at a critical level blows my mind. I don’t understand how regular 155 mm clusters are ok yet they aren’t from HIMARS. I really don’t think the Ukrainians give a frick that the dud rate may be 2-3% higher than that of 155 mm cluster shells when the Russians have mined the entire eastern edge of their country.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:40 pm to No Colors
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The US farm economy would go through a period of contraction that would make the 1980s look like a champagne brunch
True but we would be much better coming out of the backside of that than where our current glidepath is taking us.
You can only export so much inflation before folks drop the USD for trade out of necessity, and we have never faced that type of economic bloodletting as a nation.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
2014 to 2017 Ukraine was given no lethal assistance. They want a long war between Ukraine and Russia. Why, only the CIA and Democrats can give you that answer!
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Extremely disappointing. The Biden administration still has north of $5 billion in Presidential Drawdown Authority that is going to expire at the end of the month, and Biden seems to be determined to give Ukraine just enough to keep them from losing, but not enough to win.
I was confident that ATACMS would be announced in conjunction with Zelensky's visit. Perhaps that will still happen.
ATACMS + F16s during the winter, IMO.
I hate the "bleed Russia" strategy, as it kills more and more men on both sides.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:11 pm to RuLSU
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ATACMS + F16s during the winter, IMO.
When your forces are bogged down by ice or mud, having powerful long-range missiles would come in handy.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:27 pm to LSUPilot07
This article is paywalled, but it's supposedly says that Ukraine may be about to receive the ground-attack version of the French Mirage, something that has been rumored to be in the works for a while (and we have discussed several times before).
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The Mirage 2000D are optimized for low-altitude flight and ground attack/ground support and can carry ASTAC electronic reconnaissance pods, advanced IR/CCTV/laser targeting pods and launch SCALP-EG/Storm Shadow cruise missiles and laser-guided bombs.
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:27 pm to RuLSU
ATACMS maybe, but I’ll be surprised to see F-16s before spring.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:38 pm to LSU7096
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2014 to 2017 Ukraine was given no lethal assistance. They want a long war between Ukraine and Russia. Why, only the CIA and Democrats can give you that answer
MAD + Truman Doctrine pretty much gives you the answer to this one. MAD requires taking very small steps at a time and Truman requires not allowing the expansion of Soviet/Russian influence.
Unless you happen to like China, you have to accept that our collective “not give a frick” about the Chinese civil war back in the day is having impacts now.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:08 pm to Pettifogger
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Isn't that the US objective that you guys have always suspected was at play?
Yes. Biden & Co. want Ukraine to take back the land bridge and get a return to the February 2022 borders. They do not want Ukraine to take Crimea, because that would endanger Putin and risk instability across Russia and its neighbors.
The theory is to weaken the devil you know, instead of risking a lot of trouble with one you don't. And, yes, a long war would bleed Russia dry in many ways.
In contrast, what most of Europe has now decided is that they want Ukraine to win. The Brits, Dutch, Poles, Finns, Swedes, Czechs, and Balts all want Ukraine to take Crimea to to crush Russia. And it increasingly looks like the Germans, French, and Italians are leaning more that way.
As of yesterday's Ramstein meeting, European countries have now given Ukraine twice as much aid as the US has. There's now a tremendous disconnect across the Atlantic.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
Drone swarm light shows. Pretty amazing stuff with no small measure of military applications. Start at 2 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpyPwnDaijU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpyPwnDaijU
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In contrast, what most of Europe has now decided is that they want Ukraine to win. The Brits, Dutch, Poles, Finns, Swedes, Czechs, and Balts all want Ukraine to take Crimea to to crush Russia. And it increasingly looks like the Germans, French, and Italians are leaning more that way.
Perfect, sounds like a great time for us to step back and let the Europeans finally grow up and take care of themselves.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In contrast, what most of Europe has now decided is that they want Ukraine to win. The Brits, Dutch, Poles, Finns, Swedes, Czechs, and Balts all want Ukraine to take Crimea to to crush Russia. And it increasingly looks like the Germans, French, and Italians are leaning more that way.
As of yesterday's Ramstein meeting, European countries have now given Ukraine twice as much aid as the US has. There's now a tremendous disconnect across the Atlantic.
I don't know how accurate polls are concerning Crimea, but I saw some a good while back noting that Crimea preferred to be either independent or with Russia. Probably a lot of Russian snowbirds there, but perhaps demilitarized and neutral would be possible.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:20 pm to Auburn1968
Probably also a lot of ethnic cleansing since 2014
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Perfect, sounds like a great time for us to step back and let the Europeans finally grow up and take care of themselves.
I think they've proven more than once they can't do that. It's easy to say let them fend for themselves but we always get dragged into the fray one way or another. It's also better for us that we have more influence there than say, Russia or China.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:57 pm to Auburn1968
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Drone swarm light shows. Pretty amazing stuff with no small measure of military applications. Start at 2 minutes.
Is that the one where signal was interrupted and they all fell to the ground?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:05 pm to No Colors
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The US farm economy would go through a period of contraction that would make the 1980s look like a champagne brunch
The direct result of Reagan stopping a number of giveaway programs. This directly impacted the price of rice which was the favorite giveaway crop for decades.
That being said, family farms which were sole proprietor owned not even LLC, had big issues when inherited. Those who got into contract farming or sharecropping made great money when the large farms (corporate farming is nothing new at all) opted to not maintain a workforce and equipment contracting for others to do it for them.
Interesting in a telephone conversation with a mine owner in Guyana, the Saudis are getting into agriculture there. Diversifying what were once all rice farms into rice, corn and soybeans.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:07 pm to CitizenK
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Is that the one where signal was interrupted and they all fell to the ground?
I'm sure that's in the works too to be followed by AI that doesn't depend on a signal if one is not there.
30 or so years ago, my first big digital computer was a few hundred thousand dollars, was the size of a big refrigerator, took 240 volts of power at 60 amps and had 64 muffin fans to keep it cool. It sported a single 25 MHz processor! Now a cell phone processor can run for two or three days on a battery and is tens of thousands of times more powerful.
We haven't seen the last of these developments. Just hope it's not a Terminator.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Perfect, sounds like a great time for us to step back and let the Europeans finally grow up and take care of themselves.
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As a share of its GDP, Poland is the biggest defense spender in NATO, budgeting 3.9 percent in 2023. The U.S. is second, spending 3.49 percent, followed by Greece at 3.01 percent, Estonia at 2.73 percent, and Lithuania at 2.54 percent. Luxembourg, at 0.72 percent, is the smallest spender, followed by Belgium at 1.13 percent, Spain at 1.26 percent, Turkey at 1.31 percent, and Slovenia at 1.35 percent.
The nations seeing the greatest increase in defense spending since 2014 are mainly in Eastern Europe, closest to the fighting in Ukraine, with Lithuania, Finland, Romania, Hungary and Latvia, and Slovakia all seeing a jump from about 1-1.5 percent of GDP to about 2-2.5 percent.
Poland, Finland, Luxembourg, Hungary, Greece, Romania, and Bulgaria are all undertaking the greatest increases in equipment spending, from as little as 1 percent to upwards of 36 percent. Poland’s equipment spending has jumped from about 18 percent of its overall budget to a majority of its defense budget at 52 percent
Look at the military spending by the baltic states, Poland, and the UK. If France and Germany would get their act together and pull their weight it might be possible for the USA to consider leaving NATO without jeopardizing the security of Europe. However, the USA is never leaving NATO because France and Germany are never going to commit to pulling their weight for the long term plus the USA gets a lot of economic benefits from being in NATO. The US and the EU are each other's largest trade partners and nobody is going to risk messing that up. Especially since the European energy market is now up for grabs and 64% of US LNG exports went to the EU last year and that is expected to rise in the coming years.
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