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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:36 am to FreddieMac
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:36 am to FreddieMac
Putin already stated that he believes Russia has a right to Ukranian lands, that Kiev is not a legitimate Govt and that he wants put the old Novorussia back together.
The fear of NATO is just a red herring…
The fear of NATO is just a red herring…
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:37 am to RuLSU
His take is laughable and I not sure why y’all are feeding the troll this much. You can’t change a trolls mind.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:41 am to StormyMcMan
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And yet you preach about falling for propaganda
That jab from the Ukrainian bioweapons labs turned him into a superhuman gay Jewish Nazi sort of thinking
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:44 am to FreddieMac
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Honest question.
Was it Russia that had expansionist ambitions or the United States? quote:Between 1999 and 2020, the organization admitted 14 additional members from Central and Eastern Europe that sought military security and political stability after the end of the Cold War.
Look at if this way. Think about college football.
The SEC has been expanding for years. So has the Big Ten. They both managed to cherry pick new members to increase their market share.
NATO has done the same thing except uts more like the nations want in than NATO recruiting them to come in. They have even gotten “teams” from the old Russian Conference (the Warsaw Pact) who wanted in NATO.
Let me ask you, why did these teams want out of Russia’s conference? Why can’t Russia get more teams? Why just Belarus and a few other “small schools”?
If you don’t know ask Texas, Oklahoma, and USC.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:45 am to FreddieMac
quote:Yeah because when they try to attack their neighbors, other, larger countries will join the fight against Russia. I guess that's the "threat".
The reality is that Russia sees expansion of Nato as a threat to their sovereignty.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:46 am to FreddieMac
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I am not disagreeing with the history of Putin; nor am I saying he is good. But this current foreign policy under Bush,Obama,Biden, is failing. The reality is that Russia sees expansion of Nato as a threat to their sovereignty. Regardless if the expansion is legitimate, they view it as a danger to their country. So, my question is why are we continue to antagonize a nuclear power like Russia?
100% made up by Putin when he ran for re-election to create a bogeyman to unite the Russian public. That was never the case before then and Russia was on the road to join NATO as a full member instead of an associate member like Switzerland, Sweden and Finland all were (until recently)
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:48 am to FreddieMac
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So, my question is why are we continue to antagonize a nuclear power like Russia?
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FreddieMac
Because Russia likes to frick around with geopolitics, just like you like to frick around with home loans
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:54 am to PrecedentedTimes
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Because Russia likes to frick around with geopolitics, just like you like to frick around with home loans
I am not trolling anyone, I am just not dogmatically devoted to any policy in this matter. I think people should step back on both sides, realize what we are doing it not working. We need a different approach in this case. We are hurting our economy because we keep printing money. We need to find a better solution so I can continue to f around with home loans.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 10:55 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:01 am to FreddieMac
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Honest question. Was it Russia that had expansionist ambitions or the United States?
The one that spent the entire 20th century invading every country in Eastern Europe.
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Between 1999 and 2020, the organization admitted 14 additional members from Central and Eastern Europe that sought military security and political stability after the end of the Cold War.
Because Russia / USSR spent the entire 20th century interfering with those countries. This isn’t hard
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:06 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Bro they’ve advanced like 5 miles over 3 months in one tiny spot of the line. It’s a failure. And it’s cost them tens of thousands of troops and western made equipment.
Only 2 more weeks until Russia take Kiev!
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:06 am to FreddieMac
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We are hurting our economy because we keep printing money.
This has frick all to do with Ukraine. Which president in the last 22 years hasn't made the money printers go brrrrr
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:08 am to FreddieMac
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So, my question is why are we continue to antagonize a nuclear power like Russia?
Why does Russia continue to antagonize far superior military powers in the west who also have nukes?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:11 am to beerJeep
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Only 2 more weeks until Russia take Kiev!
What the hell kind of response is this?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:19 am to GeauxxxTigers23
the Black Sea may eventually be a no-sail zone for russia...
Ukrainian SeaBaby drone hits Russian Samum missile warship in Black Sea
Ukrainska Pravda — Friday, 15 September 2023, 16:57
A Ukrainian uncrewed surface vessel (USV) hit a Samum-class missile carrier hovercraft on Thursday, 14 September.
Source: Ukrainska Pravda’s sources in the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU)
Details: The sources said the SSU's SeaBaby USV hit the Samum near the entry to Sevastopol Bay.
The USV hit the rear right side of the vessel, causing significant damage, which resulted in the ship losing power.
The sources stated that the Russians had to tow the Samum away for repairs "with a significant tilt at the stern and listing to starboard".
The SSU used an experimental model of USV capable of operating in a storm, using high waves for cover. The waves were 1.5-2 metres high at the time of the special operation.
Ukrainska Pravda
Ukrainian SeaBaby drone hits Russian Samum missile warship in Black Sea
Ukrainska Pravda — Friday, 15 September 2023, 16:57
A Ukrainian uncrewed surface vessel (USV) hit a Samum-class missile carrier hovercraft on Thursday, 14 September.
Source: Ukrainska Pravda’s sources in the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU)
Details: The sources said the SSU's SeaBaby USV hit the Samum near the entry to Sevastopol Bay.
The USV hit the rear right side of the vessel, causing significant damage, which resulted in the ship losing power.
The sources stated that the Russians had to tow the Samum away for repairs "with a significant tilt at the stern and listing to starboard".
The SSU used an experimental model of USV capable of operating in a storm, using high waves for cover. The waves were 1.5-2 metres high at the time of the special operation.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:19 am to WhereisAtlanta
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Putin is wrong for his handling of this but to pretend he was not backed into a corner is willful ignorance, and to pretend we would react differently is simply delusional.
How exactly was he backed into a corner that forced him to invade Ukraine?
And before you say Ukraine was going to join NATO
why didn't Russia have near the same reaction to Finland joining NATO (who is also historically Russian).Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:19 am to WhereisAtlanta
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Putin is wrong for his handling of this but to pretend he was not backed into a corner is willful ignorance, and to pretend we would react differently is simply delusional.
Yep. Putin had literally no choice but to abolish Russian Presidential term limits, enshrine himself as President for life, eliminate any political alternatives, and invade a neighboring country.
And none of this would have happened but for Estonia and Latvia joining NATO. If had literally no other course of action.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:21 am to FreddieMac
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The reality is that Russia sees expansion of Nato as a threat to their sovereignty.
Here is the flaw and reason for your erroneous point/conclusion..
If anything, Putin sees NATO's expansion as a threat to his expansionist plans..
But NATO or no NATO.. Putin was going to invade Ukraine because he wants to expand Russia's borders..
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:22 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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hurts Russia strategically but the destruction of a submarine and landing ship are going to have zero affect on the Ukrainian ground offensive
Not zero as they are using the ships to launch missiles and move materials around, but an ammo depot or rail line would probably have better impact.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:22 am to FreddieMac
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Honest question. Was it Russia that had expansionist ambitions or the United States?
I think you're forgetting it was those states who wanted out, not the US wanting them in.
If Russia had not been a totalitarian Soviet a-hole for decades perhaps this would have played out differently, comrade.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 11:26 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:23 am to NYNolaguy1
People forget the Soviet Union was brutal. ;They had walls to keep people in, not to keep people out. If they hadn't the eastern empire they had would have been void of people.
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